Beauty of old electrical and measuring things, etc.

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The discussion centers on the appreciation and revival of old electrical devices and measuring instruments, highlighting their aesthetic and functional beauty. Participants share their experiences with vintage gadgets, including knob and tube wiring and various antique light fixtures. There is a focus on the craftsmanship of these items, with mentions of specific components like transformers and ceramic sockets. The conversation also touches on the nostalgia associated with these devices and the desire to preserve their history for future generations. Overall, the thread celebrates the charm and significance of vintage electrical equipment.
  • #91
jim hardy said:
That pristine Triplett is just wonderful !

I series-ed three nines for mine (bought new in 1964).
I couldn't believe how good the condition was. I tried checking the space needed to use three modern nine volt ones but I just couldn't bring myself having them out side of the meter's designed battery compartment. Besides, for Ω measurements, the 1.5 volt battery is used on all but the X100 000 scale. If I ever wanted to use that scale, I'd have to bite the bullet and purchase the http://www.batterystore.com/eveready-413-neda-210-replacement-30-volt-battery-by-exell/. But I think I'll just look at the meter instead. :olduhh:
 
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  • #92
I have a meter like that Triplett but have never had a set of leads for it.
 
  • #93
Averagesupernova said:
I have a meter like that Triplett but have never had a set of leads for it.
You know. These test leads may not be original after all. When I saw the "1200V MAX." molded into the red and black prob ends, I just assumed they were originals. Now I'm thinking they may be replacements. Sorry about that. You know what they say about "assume"? :redface:
 
  • #94
It's been a while since updating with some more beauty. I've been working on several goodies so I'll just show a snapshot of the display for now. The Nav radio is the one I've been clearing the bench for.

the display

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To get the Nav radio working required an antenna, so I had to build one like the ones used with it back in the day. They called it a "cat wisker whisker" directional dipole similar to this one on the tail of a Cessna 172. (image compliments of http://www.weekendcfii.com/)

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Since Greg and berkeman has made it possible to share my stuff, I'm dedicating the one I built to them and Physics Forums. Thanks Greg and Mike.

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It is rotatable and uses a sleeve balum like this. (image compliments of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dipole_antenna)

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The radio was originally powered by a 12 volt lead-acid battery and required 10 amps (receiver plus transmitter) so I found a nice 11 amp supply to use. This is a work in progress; first getting the thing to power up (had to open the power supply's vibrator to clean contacts and realign). Here's a pic of the progress so far.

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Edit: Here's a couple of pictures of the "cat whisker" antenna mounted.

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  • #95
My local scrap metal yard sees an amazing array of gizmos.
For some months i watched what i assumed to be high voltage power line bushing, thinking if the insulator rings weren't broken it'd make a nice mounting base for a birdbath or sundial.
Well, one day the owner (Calvin) cut it in two with his giant diesel powered pincer. It was full of strange looking things so out of curiosity i brought home some of the parts. At thirty cents a pound one can indulge his curiosity.

Anybody who's been around switchyards has heard of a "Capacitive Coupled Potential Device".
It looks like a transformer bushing
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but it actually houses a voltage reducing circuit that allows one to measure those hundreds of kilovolts with ordinary meters.

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The series capacitor string inside the bushing divides the high voltage down to something manageable at the tap, perhaps 20kv which one can further reduce to 120VAC with an ordinary transformer and read with everyday meters.

Here's what it looked like when i got it home.
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Who could resist taking that apart ? Looks like a trove of Tesla coil parts !

Each deck is a pair of small capacitors in parallel-series, the little green buttons
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and judging by the glass insulators, they're high voltage parts. Their part number is cryptic so I've emailed an inquiry to Sprague...

The blue&gray stacked cylinders are connected in parallel with the capacitors, as are the smaller black cylinders. What on Earth were they for?
Ancient and barely readable instruction leaflets suggested there'd be a spark gap to protect against overvoltage
http://www.electricalpartmanuals.com/pdf/transformer/Westinghouse/Arresters and Capacitors/DB39631.pdf
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and if you're going to strike an arc around power equipment you'd darn well better provide something to limit the fault current !

Sure enough,
the grey cylinder turns out to be a 2 kohm resistor, presumably to limit current to <around 100 amps ?
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that thing would absorb tremendous wattage for the milliseconds it takes to clear a fault

and the blue cylinder indeed turned out to be a stack of spark gaps,
note the copper horns, so carefully spaced with a plastic separator piece
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The coil around the center layer of spark gap i figure is to help extinguish the arc.
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it's wound in direction that its MMF by right hand rule pushes the arc toward the center, where the horns diverge.
That makes the arc longer and surrounds it with ceramic to help absorb heat and extinguish the arc. The gray cylindrical resistor takes the brunt of a fault, limiting the current to a value that won't blow up this blue arc arrestor.
Basic Physics Rules !
This one showed minor burn marks and there was one charred wire nearby, probably the reason this CCPD was in the junkyard. It didn't blow up , though !

The black cylinders are in parallel too, and i believe them to be high megohm bleeder resistors to prevent DC buildup on the capacitors. I don't have an ohmmeter that'll measure them. They're hard ceramic, probably silicon carbide. They need to be tall to keep the kilovolts per inch within reason.

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So - i had an afternoon's entertainment for just a few bucks.
Had i known it was CCPD i'd have brought it home before Calvin crushed it. I believe a fellow's heirs should scratch their heads in wonderment at the estate sale.

I mailed a couple parts to dlgoff for his museum, put some in my high voltage pile. I have ten pounds of #30 magnet wire for a Tesla coil...These high voltage caps might be handy for that, amateur Tesla enthusiasts make their own out of window glass.
Maybe Don will post a pic of the neat 10KV capacitor.

So - while this was hardly a beautiful piece of equipment, i'd say the thought that went into it has beauty.
old jim
 
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  • #96
We called them CVTs - never saw the inside( well at least intact) - http://new.abb.com/high-voltage/instrument-transformers/voltage/cpb
The parallel resistors have two functions - they "balance" the caps - helping the Voltage divider stay uniform and distribte the V stress in sync with the waveform. But also provide a discharge path for the energy, as well as over voltages. With one of these (assembled and in good health)- just a (dry) wind blowing on the HV bus can induce a static charge.
 
  • #97
jim hardy said:
I mailed a couple parts to dlgoff for his museum, ...
You should have seen my eyes light up when I took the first glimpse on opening the package. Some may have considered it junk but there's a lot of beauty there. It was kind of like a puzzle in that you packaged it with the bleeder resistor connection plate on the blue spark gap stack instead of the 2kΩ current limiting resistor. Luckily there was just enough corrosion that I figured that part out. Here is how I thought it went together.

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I'm glad you posted those solution pictures. :oldbiggrin:

jim hardy said:
Maybe Don will post a pic of the neat 10KV capacitor.
It about floored me when I saw the voltage rating of that cap. :oldsurprised: Here's a good pic of it.

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  • #98
Life's little problems keep getting in the way of my beauty stuff. So while I've got some time before the next problem I'm able to show a couple beauties. I purchased an old Heathkit IB-1103 frequency counter that wasn't working for cheap. Whoever had put this thing together could have use some soldering training. After re-soldering half of the components and clearing bridges from the other half, I finally got it to count. What I like about the looks of this useful piece of test equipment are the Nixie tubes. I also got the NARCO VHT-3 Super Homer navigation radio all working. I mounted both in the wall under the HP 651A Test Oscillator.

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The hardest part of the NARCO Nav Radio project was building Greg's omni-receiving horizontal V-type antenna. Here's the radio receiving the Butler VOR signal at 115.90 MHz with a bearing set by the course selector directly to the station (To get this bearing, I used Google Earth to get the latitude and longitude of the receiving antenna. The Butler station coordinates are a given.)

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With the bearing set for a heading left of Butler,

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With the bearing set for a heading right of Butler,

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This one, thanks to berkeman's advice on transmitter dummy loads etc, shows the transmitter working by the lit indication lamp when keyed. (It only get lit by coupling RF energy from a coil in the output section, making it a reliable indicator.)

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This one shows the Bird dummy load and power supply behind the wall.

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  • #99
dlgoff said:
Whoever had put this thing together could have use some soldering training. After re-soldering half of the components and clearing bridges from the other half, I finally got it to count.

I have found this to be the case with many many Heathkits.
 
  • #100
I don't frequent the EE forum page so I had missed this thread. Wow you guys have some cool stuff! ...dlgoff, you do beautiful work, AND you have a drill press on your kitchen counter. What a hero! You made my day...
 
  • #101
gmax137 said:
I don't frequent the EE forum page so I had missed this thread. Wow you guys have some cool stuff! ...dlgoff, you do beautiful work, AND you have a drill press on your kitchen counter. What a hero! You made my day...
Thank you. You're exactly part of the reason for this thread.
 
  • #102
Here's my latest Precision Apparatus restore beauty. It was used mainly for aligning old tube radios and is a perfect mate for the Precision Apparatus sweep generator used mainly for aligning old tube televisions.

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  • #103
Here's a nice addition to my old NARCO avionics. It's a Mark 12B transceiver with a Navigation channel section and with a NARCO power module. I've got it working now and planing to mount in the wall below the Nav Receiver.
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This is what the display looks like now with a few items fired up.
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  • #104
Man that looks like fun. Thanks again for sharing.

I'll bet that stuff heats up the room if you turn it all on.
 
  • #105
I can't wait to fire up this beauty. Don't worry; safety first.

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  • #106
dlgoff said:
I can't wait to fire up this beauty. Don't worry; safety first.

Just think of all the skills required to build that thing.
 
  • #107
anorlunda said:
Just think of all the skills required to build that thing.
Indeed. I was very thrilled that it arrived in one piece. I'm still in the process of determining it's authenticity but it does appear to be a Victor Electric Company tube.
[PLAIN]http://www.gendex.com/history said:
Only[/PLAIN] a few years after Roentgen’s 1895 discovery, Victor Electric Company of Chicago, started manufacturing X-ray equipment for the medical and dental community and offered these products through its subsidiary, Victor X-ray Corporation.
 
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  • #108
dlgoff said:
I'm still in the process of determining it's authenticity but it does appear to be a Victor Electric Company tube.

i was going to say - there's similar looking contraptions in the Philo Farnsworth museum in Rigby Idaho... Farnsworth was a vacuum tube designer of some note.
His "Fusor" is a desktop fusion device using electric field confinement but it doesn't break even just makes neutrons. Makes sense an accomplished vacuum tube guy would be drawn to electric field approach...

I'll keep my eyes peeled for one for you !
 
  • #109
jim hardy said:
i was going to say - there's similar looking contraptions in the Philo Farnsworth museum in Rigby Idaho... Farnsworth was a vacuum tube designer of some note.
His "Fusor" is a desktop fusion device using electric field confinement but it doesn't break even just makes neutrons. Makes sense an accomplished vacuum tube guy would be drawn to electric field approach...

I'll keep my eyes peeled for one for you !
You're awesome Jim.
The tube does appear to be like this one from http://www.electrotherapymuseum.com/2004/VictorXRayTube/index.htm
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They have their company's name etched in the glass around the anode. There's something there on mine (very difficult to see) but I need to get a good picture of it
 
  • #110
dlgoff said:
I can't wait to fire up this beauty. Don't worry; safety first.
I didn't read closely enough the first time to realize that you now have an old X-ray tube. I hope that you have good detectors and lead shields for when you fire up that puppy. :wideeyed:
 
  • #111
Borg said:
I didn't read closely enough the first time to realize that you now have an old X-ray tube. I hope that you have good detectors and lead shields for when you fire up that puppy. :wideeyed:
Oh yea. I've got the stuff. :approve:
 
  • #112
Borg said:
I hope that you have good detectors ...
I'm thinking this should be okay.

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edit: which is a beauty on it's own. :)
 
  • #113
Wow . And i thought i had a collection of weird stuff.

i do have a BF3 neutron detector tube in case you get into cold fusion... no preamp or readout though.
 
  • #114
jim hardy said:
i do have a BF3 neutron detector tube in case you get into cold fusion...
We should get together and built a reaction chamber. :olduhh:
I bet @mfb would be willing to help. :oldwink:
 
  • #115
I've been really busy lately and have some catching up to do. I added a black shadow box to the meter and gauge display. Could be the last one (?).
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Soon I'll be posting some photos of the vintage (1902 - 1925 Victor) X-ray tube project.
 
  • #116
I guess I am really telling my age but I have actually used the Narco VOR and the radio in a real airplane.

Very cool collection of stuff. I may have an old open cockpit biplane head set to add to your collection. I will see if I can dig it up.

And for all you guys that think morse code is long dead and gone we still use it to identify the VOR today! It is going away but it will be around for a while.

By 2000 there were about 3,000 VOR stations around the world including 1,033 in the US, reduced to 967 by 2013[3] with more stations being decommissioned with the widespread adoption of GPS.

Cheers,

Billy
 
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  • #117
Planobilly said:
Very cool collection of stuff.
Thank you.
Planobilly said:
I may have an old open cockpit biplane head set to add to your collection. I will see if I can dig it up.
Now that would be a great supplement for the Narco radios. Thanks.
Planobilly said:
And for all you guys that think morse code is long dead and gone we still use it to identify the VOR today!
dlgoff said:
... radio receiving the Butler VOR signal at 115.90 MHz ...
Even though the Butler station is ~100 miles away, I can clearly hear their Morse ID (- ... ..- --).
Planobilly said:
By 2000 there were about 3,000 VOR stations around the world including 1,033 in the US, reduced to 967 by 2013[3] with more stations being decommissioned with the widespread adoption of GPS.
Wow. Very interesting. Thanks for sharing the PDF reference.
 
  • #118
dlgoff said:
We should get together and built a reaction chamber. :olduhh:
I bet @mfb would be willing to help. :oldwink:

I'd love to do that
right now i know i'd be over-committing

i do have a pretty good vacuum pump
and that BF3 chamber
and a neon sign transformer...
 
  • #119
jim hardy said:
i do have a pretty good vacuum pump
Cool. Do you have a photo you could share?

I cleaned up mine so that I can get back to an aluminum vacuum disposition project that I put on hold some 30+ years ago. Couldn't believe the cost of vacuum grease now days. Buying online including shipping, nearly $50 for 5.3oz.
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I'll be posting pictures of it when I start depositing aluminum on glass microscope slides.
 
  • #120
dlgoff said:
Do you have a photo you could share?
Will get one posted.
 

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