Beer and Johnston Dynamics 9th 11.139 angular acceleration

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a homework problem involving angular acceleration and total acceleration of a runner on a circular track. Participants explore the relationship between linear and angular motion, specifically how to apply equations of motion to angular scenarios.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • The runner's speed increases from 14 to 24 ft/s over a distance of 95 ft, prompting the need to calculate total acceleration after 2 seconds.
  • Some participants propose using angular equivalents of linear motion equations to find tangential acceleration.
  • There is confusion regarding the interpretation of An1 and An2, with some participants suggesting they are angular velocities while others assert they represent normal components of acceleration.
  • One participant confirms the use of linear equations for angular acceleration, indicating that they can yield the tangential component of acceleration.
  • A participant successfully calculates tangential acceleration (At) and normal acceleration (An), leading to a total acceleration value.
  • Another participant expresses gratitude for the clarification on using linear equations in the context of angular motion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit some agreement on the applicability of linear equations to angular motion, but there remains confusion regarding the definitions and roles of An1 and An2, indicating unresolved interpretations.

Contextual Notes

Participants rely on assumptions about the relationships between linear and angular motion, and there are unresolved aspects regarding the definitions of acceleration components.

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Homework Statement



An outdoor track is 420 ft. in diameter. A runner increases her speed at a constant rate from 14 to 24 ft./s over a distance of 95 ft. Determine the total acceleration of the runner 2 s after she begins to increase her speed.

Homework Equations



Vr = dr/dt
Vθ = r*dθ/dt
Ar = d2θ/dt2
Aθ = r*d2θ/dt2 + 2 dr/dt*dθ/dt
V = r*dθ/dt eθ
A = -r*(dθ/dt)2er + r*d2θ/dteθ
An = v2
At = dv/dt

The Attempt at a Solution



diameter = 420 ft. therefore ρ = .5*420 ft. or ρ = 210 ft.

An1 = (14 ft./s)2/(210 ft.)
An1 = 0.933 ft./s2

An2 = (24 ft./s)2/(210 ft.)
An2 = 2.74 ft./s2

I am not sure where to go from here. I know I can't use equations from rectilinear motion since this is angular. If I could find the time it takes her to run the 95 ft. I think I could use that to find an average tangential acceleration by At = Δv/Δt. If I could also find the speed at 2 s, use An = v2/ρ and find the normal component of acceleration. Taking the magnitude of the two would give me the total acceleration and α = tan-1(An/At).

I'm just not sure of the next step. I'm also not sure if that is the right approach.. Thanks for your time and any help ahead of time.
 
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Angular velocities and accelerations are given in rad/sec and rad/sec2 respectively. Presumably your An1 and An2 are meant to be angular velocities.

You can 'co-opt' the equations from linear motion if you change all the variables to their angular equivalents. So for example, v = a*t becomes ω = \alpha*t. You can probably think of a linear equation that relates initial velocity, final velocity, acceleration, and distance. :wink:
 
I'm confused when you say presumably your An1 and An2 are meant to be angular velocities. I thought those were the normal components of acceleration. The units work out in ft./s2 as well.

Also, you are saying that I can use the equations for uniformly accelerated rectilinear motion for angular acceleration? I would assume that if I were able to use them they would give me the tangential component of acceleration correct?
 
jaredogden said:
I'm confused when you say presumably your An1 and An2 are meant to be angular velocities. I thought those were the normal components of acceleration. The units work out in ft./s2 as well.
My apologies. I didn't see the 'squares' (must be going 'terminal blind'). Yes, you've got the centripetal accelerations there.
Also, you are saying that I can use the equations for uniformly accelerated rectilinear motion for angular acceleration? I would assume that if I were able to use them they would give me the tangential component of acceleration correct?

Yes, and correct. Use the same equations but with angular measures.
 
Got it! From v2 = v2o + 2a(x - xo)

Substituting into get (24 ft./s)2 = (14 ft./s)2 + 2At (95 ft. - 0 ft.)

solving for At we get At = 2 ft./s2

Using v = vo + at substituting in for vo = 14 ft./s a = At = 2 ft./s2 and the given t = 2 s

v = 14 ft./s + 2 ft./s2*(2 s)
v = 18 ft./s

Using An = v2/ρ substituting in the v we just found and ρ = 210 ft.
An = (18 ft./s2)/210 ft.
An = 1.54 ft./s2

To find total A take the magnitude of At and An
A = sqrt((2ft./s2)2 + (1.54 ft./s2)2)
A = 2.53 ft./s2

EDIT: And thanks a ton for your helping along. I didn't think I could use those equations since the equations for finding the other values since the equations for finding velocity and acceleration changed for angular. However now it makes sense why I can.
 
Well done! :smile:
 

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