Bending property solid metal pipe vs hollow metal pipe

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The discussion focuses on the bending properties and fatigue resistance of solid versus hollow metal pipes, particularly under applied loads and varying conditions. Participants explore theoretical aspects, including deflection calculations and fatigue failure mechanisms.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks technical information on the bending properties of solid and hollow pipes with the same diameter, asking which will bend more and why.
  • Another participant provides a formula for deflection in cantilever beams, noting that the area moment of inertia is crucial in determining deflection, suggesting that the hollow pipe will deflect more due to its lower moment of inertia.
  • A question is posed regarding which type of rod (hollow or solid) will break under repeated loading conditions, introducing the concept of fatigue failure.
  • A subsequent reply emphasizes that the fatigue issue depends on the load applied and the presence of any static offset load, indicating that more information is needed to answer definitively.
  • Another participant adds that the hollow tube has less cross-sectional area, leading to higher local stress for a given load, which may reduce fatigue life compared to a solid tube.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of bending and fatigue properties of solid versus hollow pipes, with no consensus reached on definitive outcomes or conditions under which one may fail over the other.

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The discussion highlights the complexity of factors influencing bending and fatigue, including material properties, loading conditions, and geometrical considerations, which remain unresolved without additional specific information.

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This discussion may be of interest to engineers, materials scientists, and students studying structural mechanics or fatigue analysis in materials.

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i wanted the techinical information.
bending property of solid pipe and hollow pipe with same diameter.
which will bend more and why ?
i wanted the technical answer please help me out :smile:
 
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If you look at a beam that is cantilevered and a force applied to the free end, the deflection of the beam at the end is calculated as:

\delta = \frac{PL^3}{3EI} where

\delta is the deflection
P is the applied load
L is the length from the fixed end
I is the area moment of inertia
E is the modulus of elasticity

So for two beams (one hollow and one not) of equal length, identical material and the same applied load, the only variable is the area moment of inertia. Since the deflection is inversely proportional to the area moment of inertia, the beam with the larger moment will have the lower deflection.

The tube will a lower area moment of inertia so it will deflect more.

What loading conditions and constraints were you thinking of?
 
which rod (hollow or solid) will break at a apllied load (pressure) at a repeated frequency 1 min holding time and 10 mins withdrawal time ?
 
insatcool said:
which rod (hollow or solid) will break at a apllied load (pressure) at a repeated frequency 1 min holding time and 10 mins withdrawal time ?
This is not a static deflection problem any more. It is now a fatigue issue. It depends completely on the load applied and if there is a static offset load (preload). Many situations have an infinite number of cycles that can be applied and not fail. I can't answer this question without a lot more information.
 
Adding what Fred mentioned, the hollow tube (presumably of the same material and similar microstructure (which infers similar thermomechancial processing)) has less cross-sectional area, which means for a given load will have higher local stress, which implies more strain.

For fatique, for a given delection, the internal stresses will be greater in the hollow tube - which will generally reduce fatigue life for a given load/deflection.

And as Fred indicated, more information is needed to give a more definitive statement.
 

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