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News Bernie Sanders Running for President

  1. Aug 12, 2015 #1

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    Bernie Sanders is drawing large crowds to his rallies and speeches.

    What’s behind Bernie Sanders’ enormous rallies
    https://www.physicsforums.com/forums/current-events.20/create-thread

    He is registered as an independent in Vt.

    According to the Wikipedia article on him, Sanders is the longest-serving independent in U.S. congressional history, and is a self-described democratic socialist, . . . . He caucuses with the Senate Democrats.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Sanders

    https://berniesanders.com/issues/

    Interesting alternative to Clinton.
     
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  3. Aug 13, 2015 #2

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    I'm not American, but I follow the elections intensively. Sanders is the only candidate I really want to see win. But I realize he'll never be elected.
     
  4. Aug 13, 2015 #3

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    The Nordic states don't have a high degree of socialism, today they are better described as large welfare states. Venezuela, Cuba, N. Korea are socialist states where the government has a large degree of control "of the means of production". A welfare state cuts a lot of checks, but it does not run everything.
     
  5. Aug 13, 2015 #4

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    May I ask if you have a strongly favored candidate in many foreign elections, or just in the US?
     
  6. Aug 13, 2015 #5

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    Please post the sources for all of the claims you've made, this is a requirement here.
     
  7. Aug 13, 2015 #6

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    What policies, what views, what plans? You need to post sources.

    Please post the sources for the statements you've made, this is a requirement here.
     
  8. Aug 13, 2015 #7

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  9. Aug 13, 2015 #8

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    I think he at least has a shot at winning the primary. People here in the US are sick of dynasties. Mrs. Clinton seems out of touch, dishonest, and carries serious baggage. I wouldn't mind if he were elected at all; as such, I wouldn't vote for Clinton no matter how bad the alternative is.

    On the republican side you also have Paul, who is probably the best candidate out of the bunch (not saying a whole lot, the entire field seems weak.) I wouldn't mind if he were elected either. He is more of a traditional capitalist/libertarian, but I dislike his stance on abortion (not because he argues that human life begins at conception, it certainly begins a human developmental track and one could argue based on science that some life begins at conception. Honestly it's more of an ethics question than a scientific one), but because he wants to push for outlawing it (all you need is one more conservative justice really.). People are going to get abortions regardless, why push to make it illegal and drive them to back alley abortionists? I also disagree with his stances on the environment, deregulated corporations can't be trusted to care for the environment more than their bottom line.

    Bernie seems honest to me, even if we disagree on some things. I think he would make a fine president, who would at least attempt to change the status quo in Washington- although our government is so entrenched it's probably impossible at this point. Barrack Obama is case in point, I really want to believe he was genuine about change, but just couldn't execute. I doubt he would be like Obama as well in the regard of continuing many of bushes foreign policy decisions like illegal drone strikes..etc.

    There really needs to be alternatives like Bernie and Paul to the two major political parties we have.
     
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  11. Aug 14, 2015 #10
    [Googling who Bernie Sander is]

    After reading that he opposed 1991 war in Iraq, as person who lives in country allied with the US it made me somewhat less welcoming him. Politely speaking.

    After reading about him on wiki... Such feeling that he supports so many nice and expensive policies...

    [At this moment I'm reading Fukuyama's "Political Order and Political Decay". Fukuyama explains quite a lot concerning governance quality and gives Scandinavian countries top grades, while the USA get's barely passing ones. Which brings a nasty question concerning US ability to implement left wing policies, regardless of any ideological bent.]
     
  12. Aug 14, 2015 #11
    I like Bernie, but some of his stances seem a little extreme. I'm for raising the minimum wage, but to $15 an hour? That seems a little much IMO, are there any non-partisan studies on what the effects would be?

    Anyways here is a link to his website, specifically the part about minimum wage. If you scroll a few pages to the right he also talks about free trade under the "creating decent paying jobs". I'm not sure if he opposes all free trade, or if its specifically targeting free trade with poorer nations, from the page
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    https://berniesanders.com/issues/a-living-wage/
     
  13. Aug 14, 2015 #12
    There is a kind of paradox because Scandinavian countries support free trade (not mention EU, where on federal level there is a very fierce pressure on opening markets and encouraging competition). I needed a while to understand it, but there is one more issue - those top countries often try to have a very good business climate. Offer nice safety net, but except of that be very careful not to harm business too much.

    There is done by Heritage ranking of economic freedom. And socialistic Denmark is a match for the USA...
    http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking
     
  14. Aug 14, 2015 #13

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    CBO: raise to only $10.10/hour will cost 500K jobs.
     
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    I've read that previously, and it really doesn't sound like the worst plan in the world. As noted in your link, the net amount of people living below the poverty line would actually decrease by 900k. It also states that it would increase total net income by about $2 billion.

    That being said, that report is about a much more modest increase of $2.85 an hour compared to Bernie`s proposal of $7.75. I'd have to imagine that $15 an hour would effect a lot more businesses and much more harshly. I'm not sure that it would even decrease the amount of people living below the poverty line.
     
  16. Aug 14, 2015 #15
    Speaking as a Vermonter:

    I'm pretty excited to see the press that Bernie is finally starting to get. He carefully gauged whether he had a chance at a presidential run before announcing formally by traveling around the country and speaking with people about the issues that he addresses in his speeches and on his website and it looks like he made the right choice. I predict that his support will grow significantly once he is able to debate the other candidates.
     
  17. Aug 14, 2015 #16

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    If it killed 500 jobs not 500K I'd call it terrible with the lousy job situation in the U.S., especially among youth starting first jobs.
     
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    Many, I think most, of we Americans now believe the Iraq war was based on fraudulent information, IMO.
     
  20. Aug 17, 2015 #19

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    Sanders opposed the Gulf War, 1991.
     
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