Hillary Clinton Running for President

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Really? She's running for President? Who knew!
 
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LOL Twitter is the closest she's ever gotten to astroturf, either cyber-astroturf or hubby's.
 
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LOL Twitter is the closest she's ever gotten to astroturf, either cyber-astroturf or hubby's.
I have no idea what you're talking about.
 
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A meaning of astroturf is a claque posing as a grassroots movement or clique. Another is artificial grass used on American football grounds and that her hubby bragged was in the bed of his El Camino 'pick-up' truck.
 
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A meaning of astroturf is a claque posing as a grassroots movement or clique. Another is artificial grass used on American football grounds and that her hubby bragged was in the bed of his El Camino 'pick-up' truck.
So, that she is not associated with astroturf is a positive for her. Ok, I agree, I like her and hope she wins, I can't think of anyone that is as qualified as she is.
 
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You mistake me. Her use of Twitter instead of the mainstream media is an attempt to avoid media scrutiny. There's not much in 140 characters to scrutinize.

Her past performance in elected positions, appointed positions and unappointed positions precludes my approval.
 
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I think the race is hers to lose. Perhaps Jeb will give her a race...we'll see.

My prediction: I'm going to be sick and tired of hearing about Benghazie. Although it's slightly amusing to watch right-wingers get apoplectic about it o0).
 
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It's unlikely Hillary is behind the wheel: She said last year that she hadn't driven a car since 1996
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ey-rural-Iowa-VAN-poses-pics-gas-station.html

As central to stereotypical American life as is the automobile and automobile travel, that might be a serious lack.

Perhaps the identification of the apoplectic, about the 2012 Benghazi attack, should be military veterans that have stood in harm's way, rather than the poorly focused "right wingers." I am a Viet Nam Era veteran and I am very concerned by the debacle. I like to post this as my memorial to Ambassador Christopher Stevens, A Song of Peace to the melody of the tone poem from Sibelius' Finlandia

http://www.art101.com/peace/peace.mp3
 
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Don't forget that Sec Clinton is also a combat veteran of sorts, according to Sec Clinton, having "landed under sniper fire".
 
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As central to stereotypical American life as is the automobile and automobile travel, that might be a serious lack.
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Quite true. Someone mentioned a while back, regarding the appointment of the new energy secretary:

2/5/2013
...We need politicians who change their own motor oil.

old jim
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My comment will likely go far afield of OPie's intentions. A close paraphrase of Aristotle (Politics 4 ) is "It is accepted as democratic when public offices are allocated by lot; and as oligarchic when they are filled by election." A candidate seeking office must be viewed with deep suspicion.
 
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A meaning of astroturf is a claque posing as a grassroots movement or clique. Another is artificial grass used on American football grounds and that her hubby bragged was in the bed of his El Camino 'pick-up' truck.
Man, talk about Back to the Future! Look out! Here come the Nineties again! :eek: :wink: :rolleyes: o_O ?:) :sorry:

It's like national politics is stuck in one of those endless loops, like on Groundhog Day or the Twilight Zone, or maybe even Twilight (the one with the vampires.)
[Look out! She's Undead!]

If it's Tuesday, it must be Clinton. If it's an even numbered date, it's a Bush (pick one).

It's time for someone (anyone) else.
 
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There is a website called "skeletons in the closet" that dig into the presidential candidates backgrounds. Sadly most of them wouldn't be good enough to be elected dog catcher, but they manage to become front runners.

Sadly, most of us will vote for the candidate who claims to be the best for us vs looking at their record or history of How They Have Voted.

I worked in Newt Ginrich's district when he was in the house. How he became a front runner (even for a short time) speaks volumes of the smarts on the right.

I used to be ticked off about GW's stealing the presidency from Al Gore. Until I learned more about good old Al Gore. Now I suspect Al probably wouldn't have done better (and we ALL know how well GW did).

As American's we get to select from the two parties most extremist, bestest, butt kisser to choose from. Does that help anyone feel better??
 
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As American's we get to select from the two parties most extremist, bestest, butt kisser to choose from. Does that help anyone feel better??
I've always felt that elections were lose-lose. I pick the best of the worst. Anyone who actually zealously supports a candidate is foolish imo.
 
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There is no effective difference. The two party system is good-cop-bad-cop on the world stage, guaranteed to elect a weasel. The Ruling Parties are all progressives suffering from the incontinent need to make-things-better by burying US in mountains of legislation and never rescinding any of it.

Edit: Removed inappropriate link.
 
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There is a problem with the forum... or something...
Evo said:
As American's we get to select from the two parties most extremist, bestest, butt kisser to choose from. Does that help anyone feel better??
Evo did not post that...
As American's we get to select from the two parties most extremist, bestest, butt kisser to choose from. Does that help anyone feel better??
I've seen that misdirect on several other posts, too...


Astroturfing:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing
 
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As American's we get to select from the two parties most extremist, bestest, butt kisser to choose from. Does that help anyone feel better??
There is a problem with the forum... or something...

Evo did not post that...


I've seen that misdirect on several other posts, too...
Thanks, I corrected Greg's post, weird.
 
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It's unlikely Hillary is behind the wheel: She said last year that she hadn't driven a car since 1996
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ey-rural-Iowa-VAN-poses-pics-gas-station.html

As central to stereotypical American life as is the automobile and automobile travel, that might be a serious lack.
This makes no sense to me. While it's important to be connected to mainstream America, how does one's driving pattern pertain to that? Why would a candidate's driving count as qualification criteria? This is an example of "fluff" and folks, we're gonna be seeing an awful lot of fluff for the next few years. The media loves that stuff!

Perhaps the identification of the apoplectic, about the 2012 Benghazi attack, should be military veterans that have stood in harm's way, rather than the poorly focused "right wingers." I am a Viet Nam Era veteran and I am very concerned by the debacle.
I have close family members who worked for the State Department, as professionals. Being posted in areas of unrest isn't for the weak of heart. It can be, erm, spooky - if you get my drift.

Have you read the Benghazi Report?

https://intelligence.house.gov/sites/intelligence.house.gov/files/documents/Benghazi Report.pdf
 
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This makes no sense to me. While it's important to be connected to mainstream America, how does one's driving pattern pertain to that? Why would a candidate's driving count as qualification criteria? This is an example of "fluff" and folks, we're gonna be seeing an awful lot of fluff for the next few years. The media loves that stuff!
Indeed. Bush Sr. made a comment on supermarket checkout scanners that got mis-reported in the media and grew temendous legs about him being out of touch. Hillary's been in herself or married to a guy who was in high political office for 20 years, and having drivers and security with you 24-7 goes with that. Not a big deal.
 
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... I can't think of anyone that is as qualified as she is.
"Qualified" is a funny thing. Used to be that the most important qualification was head of an executive branch experience, which is why so many governors became President. But Obama's lack of experience was actually a selling point for him and Hillary has only slightly more actual government job experience than he did - so is that good or bad? If she needs to (I don't think she does - she's Hillary), I'm not sure how well she can sell 'I was married to a President and another President gave me a job to get me out of the way' as being convincingly "qualified".
 
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"Qualified" is a funny thing.
I can't imagine Walker or Rubio could be successful at foreign policy. That is Clinton's strength. Jeb seems like he knows something, but having 3 Bush presidents is just depressing.
 
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"Qualified" is a funny thing. Used to be that the most important qualification was head of an executive branch experience, which is why so many governors became President. But Obama's lack of experience was actually a selling point for him and Hillary has only slightly more actual government job experience than he did - so is that good or bad? If she needs to (I don't think she does - she's Hillary), I'm not sure how well she can sell 'I was married to a President and another President gave me a job to get me out of the way' as being convincingly "qualified".
Ok I agree, so more experience with International affairs, knows world leaders, been on the inside of what a president deals with. She wont have the learning curve and surprises that others will have. Of course those may be the very things some people hold against her. Ultimately I will go with the candidate I think can do the best. I have voted Republican several times, democratic actually less. I don't vote with a party.
 
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That is Clinton's strength. [foreign policy]
She certainly has some experience, but I don't think republicans and independents will agree that it is good experience. Experience is only a positive if people like the things you did when you got that experience!

Other than getting Bin Laden and implementing an afghan surge despite opposing Bush's Iraq surge (both were quite a while ago), are there any significant foreign policy wins for Obama/Clinton? Is the world a safer/better place than it was 6 years ago?

Yes, I'm aware that traditionally democrats have been seen as weak on foreign policy, so it should be good to get that on her resume, but I'm not sure that just getting her ticket punched is enough if the result of the experience doesn't look good.
I've always felt that elections were lose-lose. I pick the best of the worst. Anyone who actually zealously supports a candidate is foolish imo.
I think that's a problem for democrats. Obama won largely because people zealously supported him, and he rode that wave. It's the republicans who win races between boring, old white guys. If Hillary wins it will be because she's Hillary -- a cult-of-personality, not a random/stock candidate (which the Republicans typicall put up). But if she loses, it will probably be because that cult-of-personality isn't fully positive as Obama's was - a lot of people hate her.
 
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