Bernoulli effect on new vent design

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the application of the Bernoulli effect in designing a new vent system for Purple Martin housing to improve brood survival under temperature stress. Participants explore various design ideas, potential impacts on the birds, and the effectiveness of different venting strategies.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes using a funnel-shaped vent to create a vacuum effect to pull hot air from the nest cavity, but expresses uncertainty about the design and orientation of the funnel.
  • Another participant raises concerns that venting may disrupt the micro-climate necessary for the nestlings, suggesting alternative solutions like shade nets or changing nest placements.
  • A different participant emphasizes the importance of the access tube length and insulation properties, suggesting data logging of nest temperatures to determine optimal conditions.
  • One participant mentions an ongoing study about venting effectiveness in the Purple Martin community, acknowledging the impact of heat and humidity on bird mortality and behavior.
  • Another participant suggests that a tapered chimney design could effectively draw hot and moist air from the nest, even in still weather, and discusses the potential benefits of using a mass air flow sensor for measurement.
  • Concerns are raised about the effectiveness of the current vent design, with suggestions for improvements and considerations for drainage to prevent moisture infiltration.
  • Some participants discuss the Venturi effect and its applicability to the proposed design, questioning the critical dimensions and configurations needed for effective operation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the effectiveness of venting strategies, with no consensus on the best approach. Some agree on the need for further research and data collection, while others propose different design modifications and alternatives.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the limitations of their understanding of the birds' nesting habits and the specific environmental conditions that may affect the proposed designs. There is also uncertainty regarding the optimal dimensions and configurations for the venting system.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for wildlife enthusiasts, engineers interested in environmental design, and researchers studying avian behavior and habitat management.

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  • #32
Thank you all.
 
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  • #33
Baluncore, I have one (final) question. You suggested thinning the wall of the upper chimney. Was the purpose to encourage more heat absorption thus increasing the stack effect? If so, could increasing the surface area for heat absorption by adding short, black ridges along this section accomplish the same thing?
 
  • #34
NatureFriend said:
If so, could increasing the surface area for heat absorption by adding short, black ridges along this section accomplish the same thing?
It might, but there are disadvantages. I recommend a thin black metal tube, so the sunlight heated surface is in closer contact with the rising internal air. There will also be an external air current moving up the outside of the stack, that will cool the surface. If ridges were added, they would need to be vertical inside the stack, and horizontal outside. That would increase the internal exchange area, but slow it by increasing the surface area drag, while also providing accommodation for spiders, that will block the airflow.

Unfortunately, the use of PE for construction will supply most of the heat to the nest space, and so drive the stack. The fine detail of the upper stack will be relatively unimportant, too little and too late to have a significant effect. The only way to change that would be to insulate the nest box, and paint it externally, reflective white.
The more I think about it, the more I like paper-mache, laid up by child labour, on a hanging party balloon, partly filled with water to give it the gourd shape with a tapered stem-stack.
 
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  • #35
There are thousands currently being used of the PE design. Reportedly they can last 20 years. I am trying to come up with a vent for these existing and surely thousands more to be sold over time.

I have a good idea now what needs to be done to make the vent more effective. Thank you
 

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