Noob needs help designing a simple on/off timing circuit

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around designing a simple on/off timing circuit for a space heater to manage temperature control effectively. Participants explore various mechanical and analog solutions, avoiding digital logic due to the specific requirements of the project.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a need for a circuit that cycles a space heater on and off to prevent overheating, suggesting a timing interval of 30 seconds on and off or 20 seconds on and 40 seconds off.
  • Another participant proposes using a temperature sensor (LM35) to control the heater but notes that the suggested TRIAC (BT136) may not support larger heaters, indicating the need for a more robust component.
  • A third participant mentions a device called a simmerstat, which adjusts the duty cycle of the output and suggests looking for one that matches the required voltage and current specifications.
  • One participant discusses the concept of placing the thermostat close to the heater to achieve better temperature control, referencing "Feed Forward" and "derivative control action" as potential strategies.
  • Another participant recommends using a triac dimmer designed for lighting as a simpler alternative to building a circuit, emphasizing the importance of ensuring it is rated for the heater's wattage.
  • The original poster expresses appreciation for the suggestions and indicates a shift in approach towards using a dimmer, mentioning plans to test its effectiveness with a power meter.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple competing views on how to achieve the desired temperature control, with no consensus on a single solution. Various methods, including the use of a simmerstat, a triac dimmer, and adjustments to ductwork, are discussed without agreement on the best approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations regarding the specifications of components like the TRIAC and the need for devices that can handle the heater's power requirements. There is also a recognition of the potential for creative solutions beyond electronic circuits.

Who May Find This Useful

DIY enthusiasts, hobbyists interested in electronics, and individuals looking for practical solutions to temperature control in small heating applications may find this discussion beneficial.

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I am a good DIYer, so I know I have the skills to solder a circuit together, but I can't design anything! Hoping a kind soul here can shed some light.

I have a space heater that is being used to heat a very small space, and the problem is that on its lowest setting once the area comes up to temp there is still so much residual heat left in the heater that the area coasts up a few more degrees than desired. I want to design a 120v circuit that will cycle the heater on and off, effectively reducing the power output. For example, on and off every 30 seconds may be a good place to start, or on for 20 seconds and then off for 40, continuously. It has to be mechanical, or analog, meaning, it can't use any kind of logic because when the desired temperature is reached the power is removed (its hooked up to a temperature-sensing relay).

Thanks!
 
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Something like this, I reckon?

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This one is a bit more sophisticated, and uses a temperature sensor (LM35) to control the heater. By the way, BT136 will only support a pretty small heater (4A @ 110V = 400W); you'll probably need a bigger TRIAC.

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There is a device called a simmerstat which does exactly what you need.

You have probably seen them on electric heaters and ovens.
They have a knob on the front and this varies the duty cycle of the output.

Have a look here for some pictures:
http://www.ebay.com.au/sch/i.html?_...313&_nkw=simmerstat&_sacat=See-All-Categories

You would have to locate one for your voltage and with enough current switching ability.

I have added these to equipment and they worked OK.
 
In process control it is common to place the thermostat very close to the heater so that it arrives at temperature slightly before the process does. In your case the 'process' is your space.
By judicious tinkering one can make the "coast" deliver just what he wants. That's called "Feed Forward", and is closely related to oft-mentioned "derivative control action".

So, before building a complex electronic gizmo i'd experiment with creative ductwork, just keep it away from the red hot parts.
 
If you can't find a simmerstat then following on fsb, get a simple triac dimmer meant for lighting at the hardware store. Mount it in a junction box with an outlet and you're good to go.

Make sure it's rated for at least the wattage of the heater but 1500 watt dimmers are common and cheap.
 
thanks for the great suggestions! i originally wanted to build a circuit and the simmerstat looks great, but the idea of just hooking it up to a dimmer has sort of blown my mind w/ its simplicity. Tomorrow I'm going to try just that, and i'll put my kill-a-watt between the circuit and the outlet and see how effectively it reduces the output.

update: I found an "infinite switch" on ebay for $6 including shipping. I'm going to give this a try, and report back.
 
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