Best material to reflect for 35GHz RF

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the selection of materials and designs for constructing RF reflectors specifically for reflecting 35GHz RF energy. Participants explore various material options, configurations, and the intended application of the reflectors, including considerations for radar detection.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the feasibility of using wooden pallets covered in aluminum foil for RF reflectors.
  • Another participant expresses concern over the lack of details regarding the RF power and the specific application of the reflectors.
  • Questions are raised about the choice of 35GHz, with some suggesting it may be related to radar applications.
  • Suggestions include using aluminum foil in flat sheets, tethered arrays of aluminum beer kegs, or 3D objects like cube corners for better radar reflection.
  • A participant notes that flat surfaces may not be effective as they could reflect signals away unless perfectly aligned.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of having more information about the project to provide useful assistance.
  • Another participant recommends using metallic cube corners for retro-reflective properties to enhance radar detection.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying opinions on the effectiveness of different materials and designs for RF reflectors. There is no consensus on the best approach, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the optimal solution.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention limitations in sharing specific details about the project, which may affect the quality of the advice given. The discussion also reflects uncertainty about the effectiveness of proposed materials and configurations.

PhysicBob
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Hello everyone.

This is my first post..

I have been given the task of building some large RF reflectors that will reflect 35GHz RF energy.

Can anyone give me an idea of what material / thickness of material I could use.

For an example.. Would a pyramid made from wooden pallets covered in tin foil do the job?

Thanks in advance..
 
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My resources are pretty limited. I have an abundance of pallets and aluminium foil..
 
Can you give us more details of your setup? What kind of RF power are we talking about here? How far from the transmitter will your reflectors be? Will you be using this reflected signal for something or do you just want to keep it away from a certain area? Etc.
 
Any special reason for 35GHz?
I know this frequency is used by radar, is the idea to make something which is very radar-obvious?
 
Drakkith said:
Can you give us more details of your setup? What kind of RF power are we talking about here? How far from the transmitter will your reflectors be? Will you be using this reflected signal for something or do you just want to keep it away from a certain area? Etc.
Unfortunately no I can't say. It's an aircraft mounted radar that's about all I can say. The reflectors will be on the surface of the sea. Does that help?
 
rootone said:
Any special reason for 35GHz?
I know this frequency is used by radar, is the idea to make something which is very radar-obvious?
It's a frequency agile around 35GHz. Yes that's the idea. I'm sorry I can't say much more about it.
 
These type of threads really annoy me
people that come here for help but cant/wont tell us what the project is all about

how do you expect the good people here to give you decent help ??

PhysicBob said:
It's a frequency agile around 35GHz. Yes that's the idea. I'm sorry I can't say much more about it.

well I suggest you go to the engineers within your company that you can discuss the project withDave
 
Aluminium foil in simple flat sheets does work but sometimes not very well

Traditional solution is a tethered array of Aluminium beer kegs .

Arrays of bin bags or big plastic tubs stuffed with loose foil strips work surprisingly well .

3D objects usually give better targets than flat surfaces where incident signal can come from any direction and especially for airborne radar detection .

See Skolnik - Introduction to Radar Systems . Mc.Graw - Hill

http://www.theradarreflectorsite.org/Articles/MiscellaneousReflectiveMaterials.pdf
 
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Nidum said:
3D objects usually give better targets than flat surfaces where incident signal can come from any direction and especially for airborne radar detection

Makes sense. A flat panel of aluminum foil would probably act like a mirror and just reflect the incoming signal away from the source unless it was aligned almost perfectly towards the source.
 
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PhysicBob said:
Unfortunately no I can't say. It's an aircraft mounted radar that's about all I can say. The reflectors will be on the surface of the sea. Does that help?

Use metallic cube corners that are several wavelengths in size. Cube corners are retro-reflective, so incident RF energy will be reflected back the way it came. You can have several cube corners facing in different directions, so no matter the orientation of the target, you will get a good radar reflection back to the source.

http://www.discovercircuits.com/DAJ-Schematics/corner.gif
corner.gif
 

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