Beta Decay Proton: Ion Formation?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around beta decay, specifically the implications of proton and electron formation during the decay process, and the resulting ionization of the nucleus. Participants explore the nature of beta decay in relation to atomic stability and decay modes, including comparisons with alpha decay.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the nucleus becomes an ion after beta decay due to the increase in proton count.
  • Another participant explains that the atom with an extra proton becomes a new element and will attract electrons to maintain electrical neutrality.
  • A participant expresses confusion about why heavier atoms, such as thorium, undergo beta decay when stability models suggest they should undergo alpha decay.
  • It is noted that the atom immediately following beta decay is a positive ion, which will eventually neutralize by acquiring an electron.
  • Participants discuss the conditions under which beta decay occurs, suggesting it is faster than alpha decay when a nucleus is too far from the neutron-proton stability line.
  • References to decay series and the behavior of isotopes are provided, indicating that some isotopes can decay by either beta or alpha emission depending on various factors.
  • One participant suggests calculating the Q-value of beta and alpha decays to determine which is more energetically favorable.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the stability of heavier atoms and the mechanisms of beta versus alpha decay. There is no consensus on the reasons behind the decay modes of specific isotopes.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the stability belt and decay series, indicating that assumptions about decay modes may depend on specific isotopic conditions and energy considerations.

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if beta decay is the result of ejection of electron from the decay of a neutron into a proton and electron does that mean the the resultant product nucleus would be an ion since it would have an extra proton? and same thing when a positron is formed from decay of proton?
 
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The atom with an extra proton is then a new element, and it will attract a nearby electron. A beta particle will slow down, so the material overall will remain electrically neutral. Electrons will be attracted to a net positive charge until the beta particle is absorbed into a nearby atom.

Similarly, in positron emission, the atom gives up an atomic electron. The positron slows down in the material and ultimately interacts with an electron and the two are annihilated, whereby they are transformed into gamma-rays (photons). Thus charge balance is maintained.
 
i c but another thing i don't understand about beta decay is why heavier +84 atoms like thorium undergo beta decay when the stability belt says it should undergo alpha decay
 
1. The atom immediatly following beta decay is a + ion. Depending on the chemistry, etc. it will eventually neutralize by picking up an electron.

2. Beta decay occurs if a nucleus is too far above or below the n-p stability line. Beta decay is usually faster than alpha decay (no tunneling), so if it can happen, it does, before alpha decay.
 
Adding to what Meir Achuz wrote, you might find these useful:

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/Hbase/nuclear/radser.html
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/Hbase/nuclear/rdpath.html

If one looks at the decay series, one will observe that the isotopes of Th general decay by alpha emission. However, Ac-227 can decay either by beta to Th-227, or by alpha emission to Fr-223. Fr-223, At-219, Po-215 and Bi-211 can also decay by beta or alpha emission. Po-216 and Bi-212 also can undergo beta or alpha decay.

One could do a calculation of the Q-value of beta and alpha decays to see which seems more advantageous in terms of dumping eneryg.

Also look at - http://www.nndc.bnl.gov/chart/ - and browse the heavy upper right corner. Look for general trends in decay mode as a function of half-life and neutron/proton ratio. Some transuranics undergo spontaneous fission (SF). On the upper side of the population one observes more alpha decay and electron capture, while on the lower side of the population, one observes more beta decay. Out past Lr, one sees mostly SF or alpha decay.

Another good resource is - http://wwwndc.tokai-sc.jaea.go.jp/CN04/index.html
 
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thnx i'll go read thsoe up
 

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