Beta Distribution: Find Expected Value of X_(1)

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The discussion revolves around finding the expected value of the minimum of a random sample drawn from a given probability density function, specifically the beta distribution characterized by the density function \(f_X(x) = 6x(1-x)\) for \(0 < x < 1\). Participants are exploring the expected value \(E(X_{(1)})\) of the minimum \(X_{(1)}\) of the sample.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the integration of the probability density function to derive the expected value, with some expressing difficulty in evaluating the integral directly. There are attempts to relate the problem to the beta distribution and to find parameters for the distribution.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various participants sharing their attempts and challenges in evaluating the integral for \(E(X_{(1)})\). Some guidance has been provided regarding the use of computational tools for integration, and there is an exploration of different methods, including binomial expansion and hypergeometric functions.

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Participants note the complexity of the integral involved in finding \(E(X_{(1)})\) and the potential need for computational assistance. There is also mention of specific values for small \(n\) that have been computed, indicating that the problem may not yield simple results for larger \(n\).

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Homework Statement



If ##X_1,..,X_n## is a random sample and has a density ##f_X(x)=6x(1-x)## for ##0<x<1##. Let ##X_{(1)}=\min(X_1,..,X_n)##. Find the ##E(X_{(1)})## (Expected Value)?

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"I've been stuck on this for hours. If I try integrating it the long way in order to find the expected value I run into problems. " So I tried this way but it seems to be not correct to me. Any help would be great thanks.
So I need to find the ##E(X_{(1)})## (Expected Value) where the pdf of ##X_{(1)}## is
##f_{X_{(1)}}=n*[6x(1-x)*[1-3x^2+2x^3]^{n-1}]## where ##0<x<1##. I know that this looks like some form of a beta distribution.

What I did to find the parameters ##\alpha, \beta## I integrated the pdf of ##X_{(1)}## until I got something that looks like a beta distribution.

We see that $$\int_{0}^{1} 6nx(1-x)*[1-3x^2+2x^3]^{n-1} dx$$ $$=n\int_{0}^{1}6x(1-x)*[1-3x^2+2x^3]^{n-1} dx $$.

Let $u= 3x^2-2x^3$ so it follows that $u'=6x-6x^2$. Plugging this back in we get
$$=n\int_{0}^{1} [1-u]^{n-1} du =n\dfrac{\gamma{(1)}\gamma{(n)}}{\gamma{(n+1)}} \int_{0}^{1} \dfrac{\gamma{(n+1)}}{\gamma{(1)}\gamma{(n)}} [1-u]^{n-1} du.$$ Thus we see that ##X_{(1)}=\mathrm{Beta}(\alpha=1,\beta=n)##. So would this mean from this that ##E(X_{(1)})=\dfrac{1}{n+1}##?.

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bonfire09 said:

Homework Statement



If ##X_1,..,X_n## is a random sample and has a density ##f_X(x)=6x(1-x)## for ##0<x<1##. Let ##X_{(1)}=\min(X_1,..,X_n)##. Find the ##E(X_{(1)})## (Expected Value)?

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There is an uploaded picture of the pdf I used.

The Attempt at a Solution


"I've been stuck on this for hours. If I try integrating it the long way in order to find the expected value I run into problems. " So I tried this way but it seems to be not correct to me. Any help would be great thanks.
So I need to find the ##E(X_{(1)})## (Expected Value) where the pdf of ##X_{(1)}## is
##f_{X_{(1)}}=n*[6x(1-x)*[1-3x^2+2x^3]^{n-1}]## where ##0<x<1##. I know that this looks like some form of a beta distribution.

What I did to find the parameters ##\alpha, \beta## I integrated the pdf of ##X_{(1)}## until I got something that looks like a beta distribution.

We see that $$\int_{0}^{1} 6nx(1-x)*[1-3x^2+2x^3]^{n-1} dx$$ $$=n\int_{0}^{1}6x(1-x)*[1-3x^2+2x^3]^{n-1} dx $$.

Let $u= 3x^2-2x^3$ so it follows that $u'=6x-6x^2$. Plugging this back in we get
$$=n\int_{0}^{1} [1-u]^{n-1} du =n\dfrac{\gamma{(1)}\gamma{(n)}}{\gamma{(n+1)}} \int_{0}^{1} \dfrac{\gamma{(n+1)}}{\gamma{(1)}\gamma{(n)}} [1-u]^{n-1} du.$$ Thus we see that ##X_{(1)}=\mathrm{Beta}(\alpha=1,\beta=n)##. So would this mean from this that ##E(X_{(1)})=\dfrac{1}{n+1}##?.
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Nope. ##\int_0^1 (1-u)^{n-1} \, du = \frac{1}{n}## (very elementary calculus!), so your integral above = 1. That is as it should be, since you just evaluated ##\int_0^1 f_{X_{(1)}}(x) \, dx##. What you need to evaluate is another integral:
E X_{(1)} = \int_0^1 x f_{X_{(1)}} (x) \, dx = \int_0^1 6n x^2(1-x) (1 - 3x^2 + 2x^3)^{n-1} \, dx
Getting an answer for general ##n## does not look simple, but for specific (small-to-moderate) ##n## it can be done. Here are some examples:
\begin{array}{cc}<br /> n &amp; E X_{(1)} \\<br /> 2 &amp; 13/35\\<br /> 3 &amp; 43/140\\<br /> 4 &amp; 191/715\\<br /> \vdots &amp; \vdots<br /> \end{array}<br />

While all these integrals are elementary, they are messy enough that I used the computer algebra system Maple to do the work. It can do the integral for n = 100 in seconds, but manual computation would take many hours.

If you do not have access to Maple or Mathematica, you can use the free on-line program Wolfram Alpha (which is a kind of Mathematica lite), but there may be limits on the size of n it can handle.
 
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Right I did try to evaluate ##\int_{0}^{1} xf_{x_{(1)}}## but I found it difficult to try to do. I tried to evaluate it on matlab/mathematica and even then it couldn't evaluate it. Not very sure how to go about evaluating the integral.Maybe I'm not seeing it but there could be some way to integrate this. I noticed that there is convolution going on but unfortunately the extra x messes things up.

Wolfram Alpha did give an answer but in a very messy form that I could not really use.
 
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bonfire09 said:
Right I did try to evaluate ##\int_{0}^{1} xf_{x_{(1)}}## but I found it difficult to try to do. I tried to evaluate it on matlab/mathematica and even then it couldn't evaluate it. Not very sure how to go about evaluating the integral.Maybe I'm not seeing it but there could be some way to integrate this. I noticed that there is convolution going on but unfortunately the extra x messes things up.

You can write
1-3x^2+2x^3 = 2(1-x)^2 \left(x+\frac{1}{2} \right)
to get the density function ##f_n(x)## of ##X_{(1)}## as
f_n(x) = 6n 2^{n-1} x (1-x)^{2n-1} \left( x + \frac{1}{2} \right)^{n-1}
One way to deal with ##\int x f_n(x) \, dx## is to expand ##(x + 1/2)^{n-1}## in a binomial expansion, then integrate term-by-term; each such term will be beta-related. When I do it all in Maple, it manages to arrive at a final expression for ##EX_{(1)}## involving a hypergeometric function.
 
I'm assuming that I should be able to do this by hand then? Or will I have to use maple or some other software to this for me through iteration? Well thanks for you help. I'll try this method out tomorrow and see where I get.
 

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