News Biden: New Israel would be 'ill-advised' to attack Iran

[mheslep]

The additional protocol is not part of any NPT rules.

The additional protocol, to be negotiated by individual states and the IAEA, is required by Article III. Non-compliance with the negotiated protocol is then a breach of article III of the NPT. Please stop with the misinformation.

 

[Count Iblis]

The additional protocol, to be negotiated by individual states and the IAEA, is required by Article III. Non-compliance with the negotiated protocol is then a breach of article III of the NPT. Please stop with the misinformation.

This issue is irrelevant, as the NPT clearly does not ban countries from enriching uranium, which is what the whole dispute is about.

Also, it doesn't make any sense to argue on the basis of any NPT rules that Iran's past behavior means that they cannot now enrich uranium if the NPT has a clause allowing Iran to leave the NPT. The whole point of the NPT is to give countries nuclear technology while making sure they don't divert what they acquire by virtue of being part of the NPT to make nuclear weapons.

But Iran did not acquire any of the technology used in their enrichment program from the NPT. So, while some aspects of Iranian actions may have been a techical breach of the NPT, Iran did not even use what they acquired from outside the NPT for a weapons program. So, to summarize:

a) They didn't get anything by virtue of their NPT membership, as the US was blocking Iran's access to obtain nuclear technology via the usual IAEA procedures.

b) What they acquired from outside the NPT was not used for a weapons program.

Then, if we say that we still don't trust Iran and Iran cannot have access to nuclear technology, then this can only apply to whatever Iran can get using the IAEA procedures. So, we should then kick Iran out of the NPT. But that is exactly not what we want. We want Iran to stay in the NPT and ban it from operating its own enrichment program, even if this whole process is under IAEA inspections.

Now that doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

 

[seycyrus]

The reason Israel's nukes comes up in these discussions is because of the double standards used by the West.

And by the "west" you mean, russia,china,france, germany, etc. etc. etc.

 

[AhmedEzz]

And by the "west" you mean, russia,china,france, germany, etc. etc. etc.

Is that supposed to be funny? His words were very clear, the west uses double standards, which is obvious to ANYONE, even those who are no experts in politics. However, it takes a real hardliner to deny that FACT (IMO)

Please, using selecting sentences out of whole paragraphs and commenting on those while neglecting the others in order to undermine those words is not a clever strategy.

what do you say the literal meaning of Ahmadinejad's words is?

I think it just shows how powerful Zionist media is. Simply twisting a statement made by Iranian president and making it sound like a real threat and finally taking it as a basis for an attack ! Wow, you guys are disappointing if you approve this.

I still don't understand why you love Israel so much? What did Israel ever give in return of the west -US/EU- turning its back on its crimes and occupation? Please someone answer this direct question.

 

[tiny-tim]

what do you say the literal meaning of Ahmadinejad's words is?

I think it just shows how powerful Zionist media is. Simply twisting a statement made by Iranian president and making it sound like a real threat and finally taking it as a basis for an attack ! Wow, you guys are disappointing if you approve this.

(what "Zionist media"? )

Well, he (Ahmadinejad) said something.

He meant something.

You say the literal meaning of his words isn't "wipe off the map" …

but what do you say the literal meaning of his words is?

Why are you so anxious to avoid answering this?

 

[AhmedEzz]

Should you simply READ the articles I quoted, you would've known but no, you simply want to ask and ask , even if the answer is right there.

In fact, he said that he believed simply that the Zionist regime would be overthrown and then gave the example of the overthrow of the Communist regime in Russia

http://www.daily.pk/world/worldnews/7283-iran-president-ahmadinejad-did-not-say-wipe-israel-off-the-map.html

 

[tiny-tim]

Should you simply READ the articles I quoted, you would've known but no, you simply want to ask and ask , even if the answer is right there.

No, the literal meaning isn't "right there" … you avoided the literal meaning of Ahmadinejad's words, and only quoted a paraphrase, made by an unknown reporter on Pakistan Daily (WWW.DAILY.PK[/URL]), a couple of years after the event, of "[I]one[/I] of the times he was quoted as saying that he threatened to “wipe Israel off the map." " …
[QUOTE]In fact, he said that he believed simply that the Zionist regime would be overthrown and then gave the example of the overthrow of the Communist regime in Russia[/QUOTE]

This is very clearly [I]not[/I] the literal meaning of Ahmadinejad's words … he no more used the word "overthrown" than "map" …

it is just as much a paraphrase as what [I]you[/I] objected to when you said (to[B] seycyrus[/B]) …
[quote="AhmedEzz, post: 2164150"]I think you chose not to read the text I provided, and instead just came up with the regular phrase the media dictates...:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

Well, since Ahmadinejad didn't say "map", as most of the media seem to think, and he clearly didn't say "overthrown" either …

[CENTER]what do [I]you[/I] say the literal meaning of his words is? :mad:

Why are you so anxious to avoid answering this?[/CENTER]

 

[AhmedEzz]

I didn't expect you wanted ME to give my own opinion. I am not anxious at all and I clearly and directly state my opinions whenever asked. :D

I think this statement is no more than one of his and Iran's comments about their outright rejection of Israel. However, this statement seems to have been put under the magnifier for an propaganda and massing people against Iran. His words were taken as a direct threat to Israel (which it wasn't) and was even reported to the UN. Israel made such "threat" to Iran a couple of days ago and I didn't see the newspapers' headlines wrapped in Peres's quote.
To put it again, Nejad's words were the usual serving of con-Israel speech which has nothing to do with actual threats. Nothing more.

 

[tiny-tim]

I didn't expect you wanted ME to give my own opinion. I am not anxious at all …

Clearly.

Ahmadinejad used the farsi word for "page" instead of "map", and you made a big thing of it not being "map" …

hmmm … wipe off the page/wipe off the map …

no wonder you're quick to object to other people's translation, but slow to give your own!

 

[Count Iblis]

To some in the West, Israel is like what to conservative Muslims the Koran is. Ahmadinejad's comments on Israel were taken to be almost a declaration of war, just like the Mohammed cartoons were blown out of all proportions by some Muslims.

 

[AhmedEzz]

Clearly.

Ahmadinejad used the farsi word for "page" instead of "map", and you made a big thing of it not being "map" …

hmmm … wipe off the page/wipe off the map …

no wonder you're quick to object to other people's translation, but slow to give your own!

Mate,it really is an immature attitude talking like this. Throwing my words out of the window while constantly asking for it just to state yours again is simply disrespectful. You asked for my opinion, I gave it and you re-stated your already known position. As regards to the wipe of the floor issue, I think we have talked enough about it (and you had your laughs for no apparent reason). Anyway, for this to be meaningful, we need to take each other's words in consideration (especially if we asked for them) else, just state your opinion and leave. (this is me being un-welcoming but this is me being realistic; for if we were going to state our opinions again and again, this thread would be no better than SPAM).

 

[AhmedEzz]

To some in the West, Israel is like what to conservative Muslims the Koran is. Ahmadinejad's comments on Israel were taken to be almost a declaration of war, just like the Mohammed cartoons were blown out of all proportions by some Muslims.

Lets not talk about religions here. This is absolutely politics and there is nothing to do with Muslims , Jews , Christians , etc...

 

[Evo]

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