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The discussion revolves around whether Israel would support the U.S. in a potential military action against Iran, with many participants noting that Iran poses a significant threat to Israel. Some argue that Israel has its own issues to manage and may not engage in a conflict, recalling how the U.S. previously worked to keep Israel out of the Gulf Wars. Others highlight the complexities of military action, including the potential backlash and the lack of solid evidence regarding Iran's nuclear capabilities. The conversation also touches on the historical context of Iraq's missile attacks on Israel during the Gulf War and the implications of Iran's nuclear ambitions. Ultimately, the consensus leans towards skepticism about immediate military action against Iran without clear justification.
  • #121
Anttech said:
LOL... Europe before ww2 were pacifist?


yeah REALLLY pacifist!


dude, don't play stupid, i meant after WWI and before WWII, europe was the most cruel place in the world many times. but i was talking about the pacifism that delayed counter attacking the germans while they were conquering frenzy...
 
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  • #122
kyleb said:
Herzog's speech puts pleasant terms to Israel's commandeering and occupation of land, but it does nothing to validate the continuation of that ideology.
Yeah, Zionism is hard to grasp. Try again.

kyleb said:
And no wonder I was confused as to what you meant by "Iran has a record of terrorist attacks in uninvolved countries"; when I looked for what you meant by I didn't think to include 12-16 year old unsolved attacks that might have been done with Iranian backing.
In May 1998, Moshen Rabbani, (the Cultural Attache in the Iranian Embassy in Argentina until December 1997) was detained in Germany, and the Argentine government expelled seven Iranian diplomats from the country, stating that it had "convincing proof" of Iranian involvement in the bombing.
I guess those seven diplomats were expelled because the Argentinians felt pissing Iran off.
 
  • #123
TuviaDaCat said:
dude, don't play stupid, i meant after WWI and before WWII, europe was the most cruel place in the world many times. but i was talking about the pacifism that delayed counter attacking the germans while they were conquering frenzy...

I wasnt playing stupid, I was goin on what you said! After the great war, Europe were not pacifist, the 'allies' were also hit hard, and were also regrouping. Yes there were mistakes made,but it was not due to pacifism...
 
  • #124
Yonoz said:
I guess those seven diplomats were expelled because the Argentinians felt pissing Iran off.
Care to quote the next two sentences after what you just quoted there?
 
  • #125
Anttech said:
I wasnt playing stupid, I was goin on what you said! After the great war, Europe were not pacifist, the 'allies' were also hit hard, and were also regrouping. Yes there were mistakes made,but it was not due to pacifism...

nope, europ wasnt even rearming that time if my memory does not betray me.the war was a decision of the last moment, europ did not arm with the first nazi move, the armed when at war mostly.
i can understand th reason for pacifism, the price of wwI was very high, and to repeat such a thing is not easy at all, yet if europ react in the right moment much less would have died that time...
germany concluded austria to its borders, and then conquered by force terrains aroud poland, and then poland itself.
while at that time in western europe people were walking in the street with sign calling for pacifism.i remember how cherchill, before he was the prime minister, was talking about the horrors that are about to come, but he was totally ignored.

the russians made a deal with hitler, stalin thought that he would just be left alone.

france's pants fell right when they heard the first gun.

switzerland had its banks, and seemed to be well taking care of the nazi money.

and so goes for some other countries who helped a lot with production, my memory is not much capable then ill stop hereso well, let's see, most of europ pacifying,russia tries to avoid taking any side, america and england(less) want to agress the facist country...emmm jews being threated to death... hmmm that reminds me something, but i can't put my finger on it...

though i would not say that it is obviusly the same, its pretty much different, the circumstances are different, but there is a similarity, which should be an alert to us all..
 
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  • #127
Anttech said:
you are getting your facts mixed up. Britain was 'appeasing' or attempting to appease the Nazi's. They were NOT pacifying:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeasement_of_Hitler
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_World_War_II

yea seems like i was wrong about england, th appesing is crap, but they were arming aready in 29, with high budjets.

though about churchill:
"Soon, though, his attention was drawn to the rise of Adolf Hitler and the dangers of Germany's rearmament. For a time he was a lone voice calling on Britain to strengthen itself to counter the belligerence of Germany. [2] Churchill was a fierce critic of Neville Chamberlain's appeasement of Hitler, leading the wing of the Conservative Party that opposed the Munich Agreement which Chamberlain famously declared to mean "peace in our time". [3] He was also an outspoken supporter of King Edward VIII during the Abdication Crisis, leading to some speculation that he might be appointed Prime Minister if the King refused to take Baldwin's advice and consequently the government resigned. However, this did not happen, and Churchill found himself politically isolated and bruised for some time after this."
 
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