Big Bang: Size & Matter of Universe Explained

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The discussion revolves around the nature of the universe before the Big Bang, particularly focusing on the concept of matter being contained in an "impossibly small space" and how this relates to established physical principles such as the Pauli Exclusion Principle. Participants explore theoretical implications and challenges associated with high energy densities and the transition from the inflationary epoch to the Big Bang.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question how matter can exist in a space smaller than that of an atom, raising concerns about the implications of such a state.
  • Others argue that if the space was "impossibly" small, it contradicts the definition of space itself.
  • A participant suggests that at high energy densities, current theories of General Relativity (GR) and Quantum Mechanics (QM) may break down, indicating a need for a theory of quantum gravity.
  • One participant clarifies that before the Big Bang, during the inflationary epoch, there was no "matter" as understood in conventional terms; instead, energy density was contained in the inflaton field.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the rapid expansion of the universe during this period differentiates it from a state of high energy density confined in a small space.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of matter and energy before the Big Bang, with no consensus reached on the implications of these concepts or the validity of the claims made.

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Limitations include the dependence on definitions of "matter" and "space," as well as unresolved questions regarding the transition from the inflationary epoch to the Big Bang and the breakdown of current physical theories.

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The size of the universe at the Big Bang
I've read that before the big bang all the matter in the universe was contained within an impossibly small space. How can you have matter in a smaller space than if all the space was squeezed out of an atom (or probability cloud if you want to be pedantic). Also, how does it fit it with Pauli's Exclusion Principle?
 
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thegroundhog said:
Summary:: The size of the universe at the Big Bang

I've read that before the big bang all the matter in the universe was contained within an impossibly small space. How can you have matter in a smaller space than if all the space was squeezed out of an atom (or probability cloud if you want to be pedantic). Also, how does it fit it with Pauli's Exclusion Principle?
If the space was "impossibly" small, then by definition it couldn't have been like that!
 
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thegroundhog said:
Summary:: The size of the universe at the Big Bang

I've read that before the big bang all the matter in the universe was contained within an impossibly small space. How can you have matter in a smaller space than if all the space was squeezed out of an atom (or probability cloud if you want to be pedantic). Also, how does it fit it with Pauli's Exclusion Principle?
It is expected that at such high energy densities our current GR and QM theories break down and we need a currently unknown theory of quantum gravity.
 
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thegroundhog said:
I've read that

Where?
 
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I've read that ...
You'll find that here on PF, as a citation, that's about as useful as saying "I overheard some guy on a bus say that ... "
 
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thegroundhog said:
before the big bang all the matter in the universe was contained within an impossibly small space

Before the Big Bang, i.e., during the inflationary epoch (which is our best current model of what came before the Big Bang), there was no "matter" in the universe; all of the energy density was contained in the inflaton field (the field that drove inflation). The Big Bang happened at the end of inflation, when all of that energy density got transferred to the fields in the Standard Model that we are familiar with--quarks, leptons, and gauge bosons. This energy density was very, very high, but the universe was also very, very rapidly expanding, so this state was not the same as a state with similar energy density but confined in a small space, which is what you appear to be intuitively picturing.
 
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