Binary Star Inclination Angle probability distribution

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the probability distribution of the inclination angle of binary star systems, specifically addressing why the distribution is given by the formula df = sini * di and the implications of this on the probability of the inclination angle being less than a certain value, i_0.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the origin of the sin(i) term in the probability distribution and why the inclination angles are not uniformly distributed.
  • Another participant suggests a book by George Gamow that may provide insights into probability and statistical problems related to the topic.
  • A participant expresses difficulty in locating the relevant section in the suggested book that addresses their question.
  • There is a mention of a method in the book involving dropping toothpicks to demonstrate a statistical concept, which one participant believes may relate to the inclination angle problem.
  • One participant reflects on their understanding of the problem and acknowledges the need to correct their intuitive interpretation regarding the probability of inclination angles.
  • A participant provides an analogy comparing the probability of observing Earth at a certain latitude to the inclination angle probabilities, explaining how different latitudes correspond to different probabilities of observation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the explanation of the probability distribution, with multiple viewpoints and uncertainties expressed regarding the underlying concepts.

Contextual Notes

Some participants indicate a need for further reading and clarification of concepts, suggesting that assumptions about the relationship between distance and inclination angle may not be fully resolved.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying binary star systems, probability distributions in astrophysics, or individuals looking for conceptual clarifications on statistical methods in observational astronomy.

Miviato
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Can someone explain why the probability of the inclination angle of a binary system being less than i_0 is 1-cos(i_0)
i.e. why the fractional distribution of binary stars is df = sini * di, where i is the inclination angle?

Where does the sin i come from? Why is not not uniformly distributed across angles?

Thanks.
 
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You might find George Gamow's One, Two, Three, Infinity an interesting read. It covers this and a number of other interesting probability and statistical problems and other tidbits.
 
I found the book but can't find the section with this explanation -- could you please point you where it is?
Thanks!
 
It's somewhere in the section where he's demonstrating how to find a value for pi by dropping toothpicks on a striped field, like the stripes on the flag.
 
I read and understood it, but I don't quite see how it answers my question -- for the binary the distance doesn't really matter, you can change the distance without changing the inclination angle...
 
Miviato said:
I don't quite see how it answers my question --
Clearly, I'm going to have to do a little reading and correct my intuitive interpretation of
Miviato said:
probability of the inclination angle of a binary system being less than i_0 is 1-cos(i_0)
"inclination angle." Didn't mean to drag your question off on a "tangent," with a hasty leap --- thought I'd found another application of some of the neat little tricks Gamow collected.
 
Look at it this way: what is the probability on an observer seeing Earth at a certain latitude?

1 degree of latitude from equator to 1 degree latitude is a band around Earth 1 degree wide but 360 degrees long - all around the length of equator. 1 degree of latitude from latitude 89 to pole at latitude 90 is a small circle, with radius 1 degree, but accordingly only a tiny circumference.

I understand that the values of inclination are counted so that inclination 0 is the viewer looking at one pole (latitude 90, the pole where the orbit is counterclockwise), so very improbable, inclination 90 is the viewer looking at the plane/equator of orbit (latitude 0, most probable) and inclination 180 is the viewer looking at the other pole (latitude also 90, the pole where the orbit is clockwise), so also very improbable.
 

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