Binomial Expansion: Find 1/3 Decimal Expansion & Repeating Digits

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The discussion revolves around finding the binary decimal expansion of the fraction 1/3 and identifying its repeating digits. Participants are exploring the concept of binary representation and the methods to derive it.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to express 1/3 in binary and are questioning the accuracy of initial representations. Some suggest using long division in binary, while others explore the relationship between binary fractions and their decimal equivalents. There are also discussions about identifying patterns in the binary expansion.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with various methods being proposed and explored. Some participants are questioning assumptions about the binary representation, while others are providing links to resources for further understanding. There is no explicit consensus on the correct approach yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities of binary arithmetic and the implications of different methods for finding decimal expansions. There is an emphasis on understanding the underlying principles rather than just arriving at a solution.

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Homework Statement


Find the binary decimal expansion of the fraction 1/3. Identify the repeating decimals of digits.


The Attempt at a Solution


I have that 1/3=0.0101111... and so the repeating digit is 1.

Is this right? It's the first time I've been exposed to binary expansion.
 
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No. In binary, 0.010111111... = 0.011 = 11/1000 = 3/8dec. What method are you using to find the binary expansion?
 
1/3=x(1/2) + x(1/2)^2 + x(1/2)^3...

where each x is either 0 or 1. The first x cannot be 1 because 1/2 > 1/3
I used the same reasoning for the other x's.

How do you do it correctly?
 
What am I supposed to divide by though? And what does this mean from the website you linked:
"33 / 3 (i.e. 100001 / 11)"
 
You divide 1bin = 1dec by 11bin = 3dec.

"(i.e. 100001 / 11)" is simply stating that the binary equivalent of 33dec is 100001bin, and that 3dec = 11bin, so 33/3dec = 100001/11bin
 
I would do this by saying: 1/3 is less than 1/2 but larger than 1/4: 1/3- 1/4= 1/12 so 1/3= 1/4+ 1/12. 1/12 is less than 1/8 but larger than 1/16: 1/12- 1/16= 1/48 so 1/3= 1/4+ 1/16+ 1/48. 1/48 is less than 1/32 but larger than 1/64: 1/48- 1/64= 1/192 so 1/3= 1/4+ 1/16+ 1/64+ 1/192. You should be able to see the pattern now.
 
HallsofIvy said:
I would do this by saying: 1/3 is less than 1/2 but larger than 1/4: 1/3- 1/4= 1/12 so 1/3= 1/4+ 1/12. 1/12 is less than 1/8 but larger than 1/16: 1/12- 1/16= 1/48 so 1/3= 1/4+ 1/16+ 1/48. 1/48 is less than 1/32 but larger than 1/64: 1/48- 1/64= 1/192 so 1/3= 1/4+ 1/16+ 1/64+ 1/192. You should be able to see the pattern now.

And once you see the pattern, you could always check its correctness by summing the geometric series. I really would try to get a handle on doing arithmetic in binary though, since I think it provides more insight than just looking at the problem in longhand. After all, if the problem was "find the denary decimal expansion of 1/3", would you really set it up by saying

[tex]\frac{1}{3} = \frac{d_1}{10} + \frac{d_2}{10^2} + \frac{d_3}{10^3} ...[/tex]

and trying to find the [tex]d_i[/tex], or would you take advantage of the compact notation provided by the division algorithm?
 

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