Binomial expansion for fractional power

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The discussion revolves around the binomial expansion for fractional powers, particularly in the context of a dipole problem involving vectors. Participants are exploring how to expand expressions of the form |r + d - r'| = (r² + d² - r'²)(1/2) and are seeking clarification on the appropriate methods for such expansions.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are considering different ways to expand the expression, including expanding in powers of r², d², or r'². There are discussions about the binomial expansion for expressions like (a + b)ⁿ and how to apply it to more complex cases such as (a + b - c)ⁿ.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered guidance on how to approach the expansion, suggesting methods such as using the binomial series or trinomial expansion. There is an ongoing exploration of the assumptions and definitions involved in the problem, with no explicit consensus reached yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants have noted the need to conserve only the linear term in "d" during the expansion process. There are also questions about the clarity of the original problem setup and the definitions of the vectors involved.

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Homework Statement


So, I'm solving a dipole thing and I have these vectors:
|r + d - r'| = (r² + d² - r'²)(1/2)

Homework Equations


I want to expand this but I have no idea how! I know I may have an infinite power series, but I may expand at the square terms tops...
Before I needed to do the same with something like (a + b)(1/2) and I got it, I found how to do it. But in this case I can't find a conection...
Can anyone please explain to me how to? Or at least indicate somewhere where I can find it? Because I looked over and couldn't find...

Thanks...
 
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Paradoxx said:

Homework Statement


So, I'm solving a dipole thing and I have these vectors:
|r + d - r'| = (r² + d² - r'²)(1/2)

Homework Equations


I want to expand this but I have no idea how! I know I may have an infinite power series, but I may expand at the square terms tops...
Before I needed to do the same with something like (a + b)(1/2) and I got it, I found how to do it. But in this case I can't find a conection...
Can anyone please explain to me how to? Or at least indicate somewhere where I can find it? Because I looked over and couldn't find...

Thanks...

What do you want to expand with respect to? Expand in powers of ##r^2##? Expand in powers of ##d^2##? Expand in powers of ##r'^2##? Expand in something else?

Just expand ##(a+x)^{1/2}## in powers of ##x##, then identify ##a## and ##x## for your problem.
 
For example,if I have ##(a+b)^n## , where n can be a fraction...I know I solve like:

##(a+b)^n= b^n +\left( ^n _1 \right)b^{n-1}a +\left( ^n _2 \right)b^{n-2}a^2+...##

If I had ##(a-b)^n## I should alternate the signal + and -...

But in the case ##(a+b+c)^n## or more precisely ##(a+b-c)^n## I don't know how to do it...
I just want to expand like the one above...
 
Paradoxx said:
For example,if I have ##(a+b)^n## , where n can be a fraction...I know I solve like:

##(a+b)^n= b^n +\left( ^n _1 \right)b^{n-1}a +\left( ^n _2 \right)b^{n-2}a^2+...##

If I had ##(a-b)^n## I should alternate the signal + and -...

But in the case ##(a+b+c)^n## or more precisely ##(a+b-c)^n## I don't know how to do it...
I just want to expand like the one above...

(a+b+c)=((a+b)+c) is the original form.
 
Paradoxx said:
For example,if I have ##(a+b)^n## , where n can be a fraction...I know I solve like:

##(a+b)^n= b^n +\left( ^n _1 \right)b^{n-1}a +\left( ^n _2 \right)b^{n-2}a^2+...##

If I had ##(a-b)^n## I should alternate the signal + and -...

But in the case ##(a+b+c)^n## or more precisely ##(a+b-c)^n## I don't know how to do it...
I just want to expand like the one above...

You have still have not answered my original question: expand with respect to what?

You could expand in power of ##a## as
[tex](a+b+c)^n = (b+c)^n \sum_{k=0}^{\infty} {n \choose k} \left( \frac{a}{b+c} \right)^k,[/tex]
where
[tex]{n \choose k}= \frac{n(n-1) \cdots (n-k+1)}{k!}[/tex]
for any real ##n## and non-negative integer ##k##.

Or, you could try to expand the whole thing in powers like ##a^k b^j c^l##, perhaps by re-writing the above as
[tex](a+b+c)^n = \sum_{k=0}^{\infty} {n \choose k} a^k (b+c)^{n-k},[/tex]
then expanding each of the ##(c+b)^{n-k}## in powers of ##b## and ##c##, and then collecting terms. It would be messy.

Or, you could use the trinomial expansion, which says that
[tex](a+b+c)^n = \sum_{k_1,k_2,k_3} c(k_1,k_2,k_3) a^{k_1} b^{k_2} c^{k_3},[/tex]
where
[tex]c(k_1,k_2,k_3) = {n \choose k_1} {n-k_1 \choose k_2} {n-k_1-k_2 \choose k_3}[/tex]
 
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Paradoxx said:

Homework Statement


So, I'm solving a dipole thing and I have these vectors:
|r + d - r'| = (r² + d² - r'²)(1/2)
What vectors? How are you managing to equate the lefthand side with the righthand side?
 
Sorry, I know I have not been very clear, but I'm trying to understand (and failing) that's why...
Here what I have (in the figure):
I need to expand the first term, conserve only the linear term in "d". I need to get the last equation...but I have no idea about what I'm doing :(
1.jpg
 
Paradoxx said:
Sorry, I know I have not been very clear, but I'm trying to understand (and failing) that's why...
Here what I have (in the figure):
I need to expand the first term, conserve only the linear term in "d". I need to get the last equation...but I have no idea about what I'm doing :(View attachment 97857

Much better: write ##\vec{p} = \frac{1}{2} \vec{d}## so you have
[tex]\phi(\vec{r}) = \frac{1}{4 \pi \epsilon_0} \left[ \frac{1}{|\vec{r} - \vec{p}|} - \frac{1}{|\vec{r} + \vec{p}|} \right][/tex]
Now
[tex]\frac{1}{|\vec{r} - \vec{p}|}=\frac{1}{r} (1-x_1)^{-1/2}, \;\; x_1 = \frac{2 \vec{r}\cdot \vec{p}}{r^2} - \frac{p^2}{r^2}[/tex]
with as similar expression for ##1/|\vec{r} + \vec{p}|##. Now use the binomial expansion for ##(1-x_1)^{-1/2}## in powers of ##x_1##, exactly as I had suggested in post #2.

In your case, stopping at the first power (##x_1^1##) will be good enough.
 
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Paradoxx said:
Sorry, I know I have not been very clear, but I'm trying to understand (and failing) that's why...
Here what I have (in the figure):
I need to expand the first term, conserve only the linear term in "d". I need to get the last equation...but I have no idea about what I'm doing :(View attachment 97857
You have a sign error in your diagram, but I think your expression for the potential is okay for the way I think you're defining ##\vec{d}##. Still, you probably should start over and go with Ray's suggestion since ##\theta## is defined in terms of ##\vec{r}## and the dipole axis.

Remember that ##\lvert \vec{x} \rvert## is defined as ##\sqrt{\vec{x}\cdot\vec{x}}##. Use that fact and then factor the ##r^2## out of the square root to get the expression Ray wrote above on the righthand side of the equation.
 
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