Biological life as hard as iron?

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This discussion explores the feasibility of biological life evolving materials as hard as iron, particularly in a low-tech society lacking metals. Participants suggest alternatives such as treated wood, biogenic silica, and natural carbon fibers, emphasizing the distinction between "hard" and "tough." The conversation highlights the potential for using materials like spider silk and Kevlar, while also considering the practical applications for tools and armor in a fictional context. Ultimately, the consensus is that while achieving iron-like hardness is challenging, it is plausible with the right biological adaptations.

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  • Understanding of material properties: hardness vs. toughness
  • Familiarity with biogenic materials such as chitin and sporopollenin
  • Knowledge of carbon-based materials, including carbon nanotubes and fibers
  • Basic concepts of biological adaptation in fictional settings
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Would it be possible for biological life to evolve a part of itself to be as hard as iron?

I’m thinking of a tree analog. The wood or bark can replace metal for a low-tech society. The planet itself is deficient in metals because of its history, so I’m not thinking that the life form uses naturally-occurring iron as part of its makeup, even if that were deemed possible. Just a variation on bark/wood that is this hard. Or at least as hard as bronze, significantly stronger than wood on Earth. What do you think?
 
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Iron is not that hard. Steel is harder, but still far from the really hard materials.

Do you really mean "hard"? Perhaps you mean "tough"?

Spider silk is extremely tough, so tough it was tested for use in bulletproof vests. But "tough" doesn't mean "hard".
 
Thanks guys. Hmm, semantics of tough, hard etc. I mean rigid and durable. Something that could be used instead of metal for weapons, armour, utensils and tools for a bronze/iron age equivalent civilisation. They wouldn't have the patience to wind spider silk into armour! Though I am considering something like silk. And I didn't know kevlar was organic, I'll look into that thanks. Thanks for the links Enigman, will check them out.
 
Doing some research I stumbled across this page

Basically good old wood can with the right treatment become harder then steel. the page describes the basic process.
 
Thank you Nimbian, appreciate the help. Great article! Everything I've seen so far seems to show that my idea is feasible.
 
Yeah that's good, thanks Enigman. I think my story will be a combination of realism and some more out there stuff, with the former hopefully helping to suspend disbelief in the latter... Cool shiny swords are probably too shiny for this story though, which is distinctly grubby in flavour. Could use the idea somewhere else maybe. Cheers!
 
Use life form that builds carbon chains, effectively forming carbon nanotubes or something similar.
 
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MartinV said:
Use life form that builds carbon chains, effectively forming carbon nanotubes or something similar.

Thanks Martin, interesting idea
 
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Hardly a new one, carbon fibers were said to be enforcing skeletons of species living on Pandora (Avatar).
 
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Well in terms of decent, plausible sci-fi I'm not exactly going to hold that film up as a shining example! Never mind the flying islands, how about an earthlike world with a breathable atmosphere, a full biosphere and sentient humanoid life, in the very next star systetm to ours! That was a film for the Transformers fans...
Anyway I think people are reading too much into my question. There was a very specific reason that I asked for 'hard as iron' because that is EXACTLY as hard/tough etc as I wanted it. No harder. My story doesn't call for supermaterials. I can see I have to be very specific with my questions.
But thanks for the responses all the same.
 
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Could the mentioned things (biogenic silica, natural carbon fibers) justify bullet resistant life-forms? (I think about W40k orks.)
 
  • #14
probably not quite as strong as iron but sum tusks/horns from elephants and rhinos are pretty strong and also turtle shells
and the dinosaur that hed buts every thing
 

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