Blackbody Radiation and Complex Refractive Index

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The discussion revolves around the expression for total emitted blackbody intensity inside a medium with a complex refractive index. Participants explore how the presence of a complex refractive index (n + ik) affects the intensity of emitted radiation, considering both theoretical implications and practical scenarios.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that if the refractive index is a real number, the total emitted blackbody intensity is n^2*sigma*T^4, while questioning how this changes with a complex refractive index.
  • Others argue that the imaginary component of the refractive index leads to attenuation and a reduction in the real component of intensity, suggesting that a cos(theta) factor may apply.
  • A participant notes that the expression for intensity may not be a simple polynomial factor and references a source for further reading on emissivity related to the imaginary part of the refractive index.
  • There is a discussion about the validity of the expression n^2*sigma*T^4, with one participant citing a specific book and equation that supports this form under certain conditions.
  • Another participant raises a question about whether the expression holds when the radiation source is surrounded by a vacuum layer, leading to a clarification that it is only valid when the source and detector are within the medium.
  • One participant suggests that the intensity may involve a term like |n|^2 = n^2 + k^2 instead of just n^2.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the effects of a complex refractive index on blackbody intensity, with no consensus reached on the exact expression or conditions under which it applies. Multiple competing views remain regarding the impact of the imaginary component and the conditions for the validity of the proposed expressions.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include assumptions about the constancy of the refractive index with frequency and the specific conditions under which the intensity expressions apply, particularly regarding the presence of vacuum layers.

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Emitted blackbody radiation into a medium with complex refractive index
Hi.

If the refractive index of a medium equals one, the total emitted blackbody intensity inside a medium is sigma*T^4.
In general, if the refractive index of a is a real number, the total emitted blackbody intensity inside a medium is n^2*sigma*T^4.
Now, when the refractive index of the medium is complex (n + ik), what will be the expression of the total emitted blackbody intensity inside the medium?
Will it be n^2*sigma*T^4 as before, or maybe (n^2+k^2)*sigma*T^4?

Thanks.
 
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If the medium has an imaginary component, this will cause the electric and magnetic fields to be out of phase, so the real component of intensity will be reduced. I suppose that n^2*sigma*T^4 would have a cos theta factor applied. In addition, an imaginary component of refractive index means that the medium has attenuation, so the intensity will reduce exponentially with distance.
 
elad said:
TL;DR Summary: Emitted blackbody radiation into a medium with complex refractive index

Hi.

If the refractive index of a medium equals one, the total emitted blackbody intensity inside a medium is sigma*T^4.
In general, if the refractive index of a is a real number, the total emitted blackbody intensity inside a medium is n^2*sigma*T^4.
Now, when the refractive index of the medium is complex (n + ik), what will be the expression of the total emitted blackbody intensity inside the medium?
Will it be n^2*sigma*T^4 as before, or maybe (n^2+k^2)*sigma*T^4?

Thanks.
Emissivity of thermal radiation is indeed tied to the (imaginary part of the) refractive index but it is not a simple polynomial factor.

Edit: I do not have the right book at hand but check for example this: https://neutrium.net/heat-transfer/calculation-of-emissivity-for-metals/

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elad said:
In general, if the refractive index of a is a real number, the total emitted blackbody intensity inside a medium is n^2*sigma*T^4.
actually where did you get this from?
 
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tech99 said:
If the medium has an imaginary component, this will cause the electric and magnetic fields to be out of phase, so the real component of intensity will be reduced. I suppose that n^2*sigma*T^4 would have a cos theta factor applied. In addition, an imaginary component of refractive index means that the medium has attenuation, so the intensity will reduce exponentially with distance.

tech99 - what do you mean by theta and why cos?

pines-demon said:
actually where did you get this from?
pines-demon - I got the form n^2*sigma*T^4 from the book thermal radiation heat transfer (Howell and Siegel). According to the book:
"If the refractive index is constant with frequency, integrating equation 17.44 over all ni yields the local total emitted blackbody intensity inside a medium, Ib,m=(n^2)*Ib, where Ib in this relation is for n=1. "
Equation 17.44 is the blackbody spectral intensity emitted locally inside a medium with n~=1 and with n a function of frequency.
Actually, you get n^2*sigma*T^4 from integration of Planck's law over frequency, when n~=1.
 
elad said:
pines-demon - I got the form n^2*sigma*T^4 from the book thermal radiation heat transfer (Howell and Siegel). According to the book:
"If the refractive index is constant with frequency, integrating equation 17.44 over all ni yields the local total emitted blackbody intensity inside a medium, Ib,m=(n^2)*Ib, where Ib in this relation is for n=1. "
Equation 17.44 is the blackbody spectral intensity emitted locally inside a medium with n~=1 and with n a function of frequency.
Actually, you get n^2*sigma*T^4 from integration of Planck's law over frequency, when n~=1.
Oh I see this is within the media! Never seen this, how is it derived that would give you a clue. As intensities are involved there might be some ##|\tilde{n}|^2=n^2+\kappa^2## instead of a simple square.
 
elad said:
pines-demon - I got the form n^2*sigma*T^4 from the book thermal radiation heat transfer (Howell and Siegel). According to the book:
"If the refractive index is constant with frequency, integrating equation 17.44 over all ni yields the local total emitted blackbody intensity inside a medium, Ib,m=(n^2)*Ib, where Ib in this relation is for n=1. "
Is this expression only valid when there is direct contact between the radiation source and the medium or does it even hold if the source is surrounded by a layer of vacuum and the medium forms a shell around this layer?
 
Philip Koeck said:
Is this expression only valid when there is direct contact between the radiation source and the medium or does it even hold if the source is surrounded by a layer of vacuum and the medium forms a shell around this layer?
It is only valid if the source (and detector) are within the media. Imagine a sort of hot object in glass, the object emits ##n^2 \sigma T^4## where ##n## is the index of glass. If there object has a different emissivity ##\epsilon## then it is ##n^2\epsilon \sigma T^4##. If there is vacuum somewhere, then that has to be taken into account and would depend on the geometry.

Edit: vacuum not glass
 
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