Blackbody radiation with frequency filter

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of a perfect blackbody in a box that only allows x-rays to enter and leave. Participants explore the implications of thermodynamics and Planck's law in this context, particularly focusing on the emission of radiation and the conditions under which the blackbody would heat up.

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant posits that if a perfect blackbody absorbs x-rays but emits radiation primarily in the infrared region, it would heat up, contradicting thermodynamic principles.
  • Another participant questions the necessity for the blackbody to remain at room temperature, suggesting that thermodynamics does not require this condition.
  • A participant argues that Planck's law is temperature-dependent and that an object absorbing x-rays would inevitably heat up, regardless of the radiation it emits.
  • There is a clarification that the box allows only x-rays to pass, while the blackbody can absorb and emit all types of radiation.
  • One participant acknowledges a misunderstanding regarding the requirement for the blackbody to maintain room temperature.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of thermodynamics and Planck's law in this scenario. There is no consensus on whether the blackbody can remain at room temperature while absorbing x-rays.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the dependence of radiation emission on temperature and the assumptions regarding the nature of the blackbody's absorption and emission capabilities. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these factors.

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Let's say there's a perfect blackbody inside a box (at room temperature) composed of material such that only x-rays are able to enter and leave. If the absorption and emission of the x-rays weren't the same, the box would heat up above room temperature, and this would contradict thermodynamics.

So, if this blackbody is being bombarded with x-rays, all the x-rays are absorbed (a perfect blackbody). Then the blackbody would emit radiation in accordance with Planck's law, which suggests that the radiation would be largely in the infrared region for an object at room temperature. This radiation is not allowed to leave the material since it isn't x-rays, so the box heats up. But obviously this can't be so. The black body HAS to emit x-rays in order for it not to heat up above room temperature.

So my question is, how can this blackbody emit x-rays in order to avoid heating up, when Planck's law suggests that it emits radiation only in much higher wavelengths (~infrared at room temp)?
 
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Hold on. Is the object itself able to absorb and emit only x-rays, or also other radiation?
 
Actually, I don't see how absorbing x-rays and emitting infrared radiation contradicts thermodynamics. Why are you requiring the object to not rise above room temperature?

So my question is, how can this blackbody emit x-rays in order to avoid heating up, when Planck's law suggests that it emits radiation only in much higher wavelengths?

This is incorrect. Plancks law is based on temperature, not what it is absorbing. If I shot x-rays at the object it MUST heat up if it absorbs them. Radiation is emitted as long as the object is above absolute zero.

You are calling this a perfect black body, but it cannot be if it only absorbs and emits x-rays.
 
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Hold on. Is the object itself able to absorb and emit only x-rays, or also other radiation?

All radiation. The screen just prevents all radiation but x-rays from passing through.

I didn't base the emission of any radiation on what it is absorbing, I based it on the temperature. On that note, I think I see my mistake; there's no reason for me to require that the blackbody stays at room temperature.
 

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