Boat B Must Head 56.4° South of West

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving two boats, A and B, where boat A is heading south at a certain speed and boat B, starting from a position due east of boat A, needs to determine the optimal direction to head in order to get as close as possible to boat A. The problem is framed within the context of relative velocity and involves mathematical reasoning and optimization techniques.

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  • One participant proposes that boat B should head at an angle of approximately 56.4° south of west based on their calculations involving trigonometric functions.
  • Another participant suggests a coordinate system where south is up and west is to the right, providing a detailed parametrization of the motion of both boats and deriving equations to find critical points for optimization.
  • A later reply questions the method of squaring the distance between the boats and expresses confusion about the factorization used in the distance equation.
  • One participant expresses a desire to explore the use of the sine rule and triangles as an alternative method to solve the problem.
  • There is a clarification regarding the course context, indicating that the problem is from a relative velocity chapter in a math physics course, with some participants noting the absence of calculus in the course.

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Participants present multiple approaches to the problem, with some agreeing on the angle derived while others express confusion or propose alternative methods. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to solve the problem, and no consensus is reached on the method or final answer.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the factorization method used to derive the distance equation, and there are limitations in understanding the relationship between the distances traveled by the boats in the y direction and the implications for the solution.

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a boat A is heading south at 30 km/hr. its spotted a boat B which is 18 km due east of boat A. boat B has a max speed of 25 km/hr and wishes to get a close as possible to boat A. what direction should boat B head in.

so i initially let boat A be the origin heading south. boat B starts at (18,0) and heads south of west. so i let 18-25sina=0 solving this gives 46 degrees. the answer is 56.4 south of west. i can explain what i did in more detail if anyone needs it.
 
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I think what I would do is orient a coordinate system such that south is up and west is to the right. At time $t=0$, have boat A at the origin, and boat B at $(-18,0)$. Then, parametrize the motion of the two boats:

Boat A:

$$x_A(t)=0$$

$$y_A(t)=30t$$

Boat B:

$$x_B(t)=25\cos(\theta)t-18$$

$$y_B(t)=25\sin(\theta)t$$

Now, the square of the distance $D$ between the boats is:

$$D^2=f(\theta,t)=\left(25\cos(\theta)t-18\right)^2+\left(30t-25\sin(\theta)t\right)^2$$

So, we want to find any critical points:

$$f_{\theta}(\theta,t)=2\left(25\cos(\theta)t-18\right)(-25\sin(\theta)t)+2\left(30t-25\sin(\theta)t\right)(-25\cos(\theta)t)=0$$

This reduces to (discarding the boundary $t=0$):

$$t=\frac{3}{5}\tan(\theta)$$

$$f_{t}(\theta,t)=2\left(25\cos(\theta)t-18\right)(25\cos(\theta))+2\left(30t-25\sin(\theta)t\right)(30-25\sin(\theta))=0$$

This reduces to:

$$61t-18\cos(\theta)-60\sin(\theta)t=0$$

Substituting for $t$, we obtain:

$$61\left(\frac{3}{5}\tan(\theta)\right)-18\cos(\theta)-60\sin(\theta)\left(\frac{3}{5}\tan(\theta)\right)=0$$

$$183\sin(\theta)-90\cos^2(\theta)-180\sin^2(\theta)=0$$

$$90\sin^2(\theta)-183\sin(\theta)+90=0$$

$$3\left(5\sin(\theta)-6\right)\left(6\sin(\theta)-5\right)=0$$

Discarding the root outside of the range of the sine function, we are left with:

$$\sin(\theta)=\frac{5}{6}\implies\theta\approx56.44269023807928^{\circ}$$
 
MarkFL said:
I think what I would do is orient a coordinate system such that south is up and west is to the right. At time $t=0$, have boat A at the origin, and boat B at $(-18,0)$. Then, parametrize the motion of the two boats:

Boat A:

$$x_A(t)=0$$

$$y_A(t)=30t$$

Boat B:

$$x_B(t)=25\cos(\theta)t-18$$

$$y_B(t)=25\sin(\theta)t$$

Now, the square of the distance $D$ between the boats is:

$$D^2=f(\theta,t)=\left(25\cos(\theta)t-18\right)^2+\left(30t-25\sin(\theta)t\right)^2$$

So, we want to find any critical points:

$$f_{\theta}(\theta,t)=2\left(25\cos(\theta)t-18\right)(-25\sin(\theta)t)+2\left(30t-25\sin(\theta)t\right)(-25\cos(\theta)t)=0$$

This reduces to (discarding the boundary $t=0$):

$$t=\frac{3}{5}\tan(\theta)$$

$$f_{t}(\theta,t)=2\left(25\cos(\theta)t-18\right)(25\cos(\theta))+2\left(30t-25\sin(\theta)t\right)(30-25\sin(\theta))=0$$

This reduces to:

$$61t-18\cos(\theta)-60\sin(\theta)t=0$$

Substituting for $t$, we obtain:

$$61\left(\frac{3}{5}\tan(\theta)\right)-18\cos(\theta)-60\sin(\theta)\left(\frac{3}{5}\tan(\theta)\right)=0$$

$$183\sin(\theta)-90\cos^2(\theta)-180\sin^2(\theta)=0$$

$$90\sin^2(\theta)-183\sin(\theta)+90=0$$

$$3\left(5\sin(\theta)-6\right)\left(6\sin(\theta)-5\right)=0$$

Discarding the root outside of the range of the sine function, we are left with:

$$\sin(\theta)=\frac{5}{6}\implies\theta\approx56.44269023807928^{\circ}$$
thanks for your reply. just wondering is there a way using triangles to solve this using the sine rule do you know?
 
Being that it is an optimization problem, on a function in two variables, the way I worked it using the calculus is the most straightforward way I know of. :D

In what course was this problem given?
 
It's in a relative velocity chapter in math physics
 
markosheehan said:
It's in a relative velocity chapter in math physics

Is this a calculus-based physics course?
 
there's no calculus in the course. I am a bit confused on your answer. so i get that you are squaring the distance in the y direction between the boats and you are squaring the distance in the x direction between the boats and you are letting it equal to zero because the the boat B is aiming to intercept boat A.

however i don't understand your method of factorising (25cos(a)t-18)^2 + (30t-25sin(a)t)^2 =0

also i was thinking an easier way to solve it would be to say the distance traveled by the boats in the y direction is 25sinat=30t so 25sina=30 sina=30/25 sadly this doesn't work. why doesn't it work do you know?
 

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