Boltzmann Factor in QM Language

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The discussion revolves around the Boltzmann Factor in the context of quantum mechanics (QM), specifically addressing its definition and implications for probability measurements of energy states. Participants explore the relationship between the Boltzmann Factor and quantum states, considering both pure and mixed states, as well as the effects of temperature on these probabilities.

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Main Points Raised

  • Andrew questions why the probability P(E) does not depend on the quantum state |psi> and suggests there may be a hidden assumption that all states in the Hilbert Space yield the same probability.
  • One participant explains the distinction between pure states and mixed states, suggesting that the Boltzmann factors arise from a thermal density matrix representing an ensemble of systems in different energy eigenstates.
  • Andrew raises a scenario where the system is prepared in a single energy eigenstate, questioning if the probability of measuring that energy would indeed be 1 instead of the Boltzmann factor expression.
  • Another participant notes that the presence of a non-zero temperature implies interaction with a heat bath, which affects the application of the Boltzmann factor.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of preparing a system in a specific energy eigenstate versus considering ensembles at non-zero temperatures. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the dependence of the Boltzmann Factor on the quantum state and the interpretation of probabilities in these contexts.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions about the nature of the system, the definitions of pure and mixed states, and the implications of temperature on the probabilities being discussed. These aspects are not fully resolved in the conversation.

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Hi,

I'm stuck on "the summit of statistical mechanics" (as Feynman calls it): the definition of the Boltzmann Factor.

The probability of measuring the system with energy E is P(E) = 1/Z * e^-E/kT.

I've taken courses in QM and can't understand why P(E) does not depend on the ket of the system |psi>.

From QM, I want to write down P(Ei) = <psi|Ei><Ei|psi>. So why doesn't 1/Z * e^-E/kT depend on |psi>? Is it a hidden assumption about the nature of the system that all |psi> in the Hilbert Space have P(Ei) equal?

Thanks in advance,
Andrew
 
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The issue lies in the difference between a pure state, which represents an ensemble of identical systems, and a mixed state, which represents an ensemble of systems in different states. So you might want to consider an ensemble of systems in different energy eigenstates, represented by a thermal density matrix. The diagonal components are then the Boltzmann factors.
 
What if I consider a system in a single energy eigenstate?

If the system is prepared in an energy eigenstate, say E1, then surely a measurement of E1 has probability 1 and not 1/Z * e^-E1/kT ?

Or can I not prepare a system that has a definite energy?
 
The "problem" is that you are at non-zero temperature (otrhwise the Boltzmann factor would be 1), meaning you are implicitly assuming that your system is actually interacting with a heat bath of some sort.
 

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