Book on General Relativity -- especially on Black Holes and Graviational Waves

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around recommendations for books on General Relativity, with a particular focus on Black Holes and Gravitational Waves. Participants share their preferences and experiences with various texts, considering different levels of understanding and mathematical rigor.

Discussion Character

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks a graduate-level book on General Relativity that covers Black Holes and Gravitational Waves, expressing dissatisfaction with a previous choice due to unclear notation.
  • Some participants recommend Zee's book for advanced graduate level and Wald's book for undergraduate level, noting differing opinions on the appropriate audience for Wald's text.
  • Kip Thorne's books are suggested for their clarity in explaining Black Holes, with references to multiple titles authored by him.
  • Weinberg's book is mentioned as specifically covering the desired topics, with one participant expressing satisfaction after acquiring it.
  • Another participant points out that Wald's book is categorized as a graduate-level textbook, despite some undergraduates reportedly using it.
  • MTW's Gravitation is compared to Wald's General Relativity, with notes on their similar levels but differing styles and pacing.
  • Sergei Winitzki's Advanced Topics in General Relativity is recommended for its clarity and practical approach, and it is noted to be available for free.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of agreement and disagreement regarding the appropriate level of Wald's book, with some asserting it is graduate-level while others believe it is accessible to undergraduates. The discussion remains unresolved on this point, with multiple perspectives presented.

Contextual Notes

Some recommendations depend on individual backgrounds in mathematics and physics, and there are references to various teaching approaches and levels of difficulty in the suggested texts.

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Hi. (I'm sorry for my poor English.)
I'm looking for a good book on General Relativity, specially on Black Holes and Graviational Waves. I got Schultz book once ago, but it has a fuzzy notation and does not deal with the math as I suppose to. I know the basics of Differential Geometry, Topology, Rimmanian Manifolds, and of course, Special Relativity. So what a graduated book would you recommend me?
 
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Some folks like Zee (advanced graduate level):

https://www.amazon.com/dp/069114558X/?tag=pfamazon01-20

and others like Wald (undergraduate level):

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0226870332/?tag=pfamazon01-20

For black holes Kip Thorne's books are really good at explaining things:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0393351378/?tag=pfamazon01-20

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0393312763/?tag=pfamazon01-20

He also did a book with Wheeler that was the definitive standard for General Relatiity but lacks some of the more recent research:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0716703440/?tag=pfamazon01-20

There's a couple of free ebooks here by Benjamin Crowell that are pretty good for the undergraduate/graduate level:

www.lightandmatter.com

We also have a thread on it that's a couple of years old:

https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/a-good-book-on-general-special-relativity.512125/

Lastly, here's a list of other titles to consider:

http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/363/getting-started-self-studying-general-relativity
 
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jedishrfu said:
Some folks like Zee (advanced graduate level):

https://www.amazon.com/dp/069114558X/?tag=pfamazon01-20

and others like Wald (undergraduate level):

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0226870332/?tag=pfamazon01-20

For black holes Kip Thorne's books are really good at explaining things:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0393351378/?tag=pfamazon01-20

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0393312763/?tag=pfamazon01-20

He also did a book with Wheeler that was the definitive standard for General Relatiity but lacks some of the more recent research:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0716703440/?tag=pfamazon01-20

There's a couple of free ebooks here by Benjamin Crowell that are pretty good for the undergraduate/graduate level:

www.lightandmatter.com

We also have a thread on it that's a couple of years old:

https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/a-good-book-on-general-special-relativity.512125/

Lastly, here's a list of other titles to consider:

http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/363/getting-started-self-studying-general-relativity
Thank you ! I will try to check out these books
 
Weinberg's book specifically covers these topics.
 
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snatchingthepi said:
Weinberg's book specifically covers these topics.
I got this book after tht a couple days ago, and I like it!
 
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o_O Oh no, snap...

! I just ordered some books and did not check here first!

Ohhhh!

Next time, I will conquer the world!
 
jedishrfu said:
and others like Wald (undergraduate level):
I thought Wald's General Relativity (judging by the reviews and the preface of the book itself) was a graduate level textbook.
 
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Dragon27 said:
I thought Wald's General Relativity (judging by the reviews and the preface of the book itself) was a graduate level textbook.

Wald wrote a resource letter on teaching GR to grads and undergrads:

https://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0511073

He doesn't explicitly say what books he uses. At the end of the letter, in the bibliography he categorizes his book as a graduate book so you are right.

In my undergraduate days, I took an independent study under one physics prof who used Wheeler's Gravitation book provided as a preprint which is at the same level as Wald so I can believe that there are some undergrads who are using Wald's book to understand GR.

In this article they hint at using Wald as well as several other books as a basis for an undergraduate course in GR:

http://people.carleton.edu/~nchriste/pto000041.pdf
 
jedishrfu said:
In my undergraduate days, I took an independent study under one physics prof who used Wheeler's Gravitation book provided as a preprint which is at the same level as Wald so I can believe that there are some undergrads who are using Wald's book to understand GR.

MTW's Gravitation gets to the same level as Wald's General Relativity on topics they have in common, so they're on the same level in that sense. However, Gravitation has a slower paced, more conversational style and starts at an easier level.
 
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