Best (or at least good) GR and SR textbook for a 15-year-old highschool student

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around recommendations for textbooks on Special Relativity (SR) and General Relativity (GR) suitable for a 15-year-old high school student. Participants share their opinions on various texts, considering the mathematical background required and the appropriateness of older versus newer materials.

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks recommendations for textbooks that allow for a deeper understanding of SR and GR, mentioning familiarity with the Metric Tensor and Christoffel Symbols.
  • Some participants recommend older texts such as "Special Relativity" by A.P. French and "Gravitation and Cosmology" by Weinberg, while others express concerns about the outdated nature of these books.
  • Hawking and Ellis are mentioned as potential texts, but there is disagreement about their suitability for high school students.
  • Morin's book is suggested for SR, along with Helliwell's undergraduate-level introduction.
  • Sean Carroll's book is recommended for GR, along with links to online lecture notes.
  • One participant argues that older texts may not be appropriate for novices who lack the context to discern outdated concepts, particularly regarding relativistic mass.
  • Another participant defends the value of older texts, suggesting that fond memories should not be the sole reason for their recommendation.
  • Geroch's "Relativity from A to B" and Taylor, Wheeler & Bertschinger's GR textbook are also mentioned as suitable options.
  • Concerns are raised about the potential difficulty of advanced texts for someone at the high school level, despite their familiarity with certain concepts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of agreement and disagreement regarding the suitability of various textbooks. While some advocate for newer materials, others defend older texts based on personal experience. The discussion remains unresolved regarding which texts are most appropriate for a high school student.

Contextual Notes

There are varying opinions on the mathematical prerequisites for understanding SR and GR, with some participants suggesting that advanced mathematics is necessary for GR, while others believe SR can be learned without it. The debate also touches on the relevance of certain concepts, such as relativistic mass, in modern education.

  • #31
I learned General Relativity from Schutz "A First Course in General Relativity" when I was younger and I know several who did similar. The first edition in particular is a nice compact volume that reviews special relativity, gives a nice "physicst's" view of tensors, motivates the field equations and handles the "fun" early parts of general relativity like Mercury's orbit and black holes and it has good exercises.
 
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  • #33
martinbn said:
Hawking and Ellis.
Since he is a beginner who does not know yet all needed mathematics, perhaps you would also recommend to first study N. Bourbaki, Elements of Mathematics, 11 books. And just to be sure that he understands foundations properly, e.g. why 1+1=2, before Bourbaki perhaps you would also recommend to study Principia Mathematica by Whitehead and Russell (3 books). After Principia, then Bourbaki, then Hawking and Ellis, perhaps he will be ready to study the recommendations by others. :oldbiggrin:
 
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  • #34
Demystifier said:
Since he is a beginner who does not know yet all needed mathematics, perhaps you would also recommend to first study N. Bourbaki, Elements of Mathematics, 11 books. And just to be sure that he understands foundations properly, e.g. why 1+1=2, before Bourbaki perhaps you would also recommend to study Principia Mathematica by Whitehead and Russell (3 books). After Principia, then Bourbaki, then Hawking and Ellis, perhaps he will be ready to study the recommendations by others. :oldbiggrin:
If someone asks about maths books the same way the first post was written, then yes, I will be equally sarcastic and recommend Bourbaki.
 
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  • #35
martinbn said:
If someone asks about maths books the same way the first post was written, then yes, I will be equally sarcastic and recommend Bourbaki.
My concern with that line of thought is that other people will take recommendations from this thread based on its title.
 
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  • #36
AdvaitDhingra said:
Thank you for your advice. It may well be that I overestimate what I understand.
It’s always refreshing to see high schoolers come to terms with their potential limitations so that they may grow. When I was that age I was delusional to say the least.

My personal opinion is that French is long winded. But I would not consider myself competent at SR by a long shot so my opinion may be worthless. That said I did pick up a copy of Morin’s text and it looks promising especially with the multitude of solved examples.
 
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  • #37
Update: I got The Theoretical Minimum on Classical Mechanics by Leonard Susskind and I find it challenging enough to enjoy it. I am now aware that I have quite a long way to go :D
 
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  • #38
AdvaitDhingra said:
Update: I got The Theoretical Minimum on Classical Mechanics by Leonard Susskind and I find it challenging enough to enjoy it. I am now aware that I have quite a long way to go :D
All the best - your request has certainly created an interesting thread!
 
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