Book Recommendations for Thermodynamics & Optics Learning

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around recommendations for books on thermodynamics and optics, focusing on suitable texts for learners at different levels of understanding. Participants express their preferences and challenges in selecting appropriate materials for their studies.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests a specific optics textbook from BYU, noting its balance of depth and conciseness.
  • Another participant highlights the variability in thermodynamics textbooks, mentioning that different authors emphasize different aspects of the subject, which can lead to confusion.
  • Recommendations for thermodynamics include Planck's treatise and Pippard's Elements of Classical Thermodynamics, with a caution to study thermodynamics separately from statistical physics.
  • A participant mentions Wolfe's book on radiometry as a potential resource for applying thermodynamic principles to optics.
  • One participant requests recommendations for geometrical optics and expresses interest in the book 'Heat and Thermodynamics' by Zemansky and Dittman, questioning its suitability for a beginner.
  • Another participant shares their struggle with finding accessible physics books, noting that public-oriented texts are often overly simplified.
  • A suggestion is made for Feynman's Lectures on Physics as an intermediate-level resource that is readable yet informative.
  • One participant recommends "Thermodynamics: An Engineering Approach" by Yunus Cengel for thermodynamics study.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of opinions on suitable books, with no clear consensus on specific recommendations for thermodynamics. There is acknowledgment of the difficulty in finding appropriate texts for different levels of understanding, indicating a shared challenge rather than agreement.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of separating thermodynamics from statistical physics in their studies, highlighting the potential confusion that arises when these topics are combined. The discussion reflects varying levels of background knowledge among participants, influencing their book recommendations.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for individuals seeking book recommendations in thermodynamics and optics, particularly those at the beginner or intermediate levels of study.

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Would anyone recommend some books for me to learn about thermodynamics and optics.
I was stuck on choosing books since either of them are too difficult or a little bit simple.
I don't where I should post,I am apologize for any inconvenient cause.
 
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For optics, there is a nice textbook at

http://optics.byu.edu/Textbook.aspx

with a good combination of depth and breadth, while still concise (350 pages).

For thermodynamics, it is somewhat more difficult to recommend a single book. My impression is that there are many people who feel experts on thermodynamics and related questions, but they/ or their books stress always something different. You can find two completely different expositions on thermodynamics, reading one making you wonder how could the other be called thermodynamics too. This is probably because the subject is very interesting to many people with different background, and everybody thinks his limited view is the most important part of thermodynamics. Also, much confusion is introduced into thermodynamics by attempts to mix it with statistical physics.

My advice is definitely to read more books on thermodynamics also for the first reading. Do pure thermodynamics in depth first, do not mix it with statistics. For this, Planck's treatise

Treatise on thermodynamics, 3rd ed, Dover 1945

should be good (but I haven't read it yet). Also, a book

Pippard A.B. Elements of classical thermodynamics (CUP, 1966)(600dpi)(T)(174s)_PT_

is short and attracting.

Next, this modern textbook is much used today:

Callen H.B. Thermodynamics And An Introduction To Thermostatistics (2ed., Wiley, 1985)(T)(K)(600dpi)(511s)_PT_rn textbook on thermo is worthwhile, like

There are some interesting things, but it is bit too formalistic for my taste.

Then there is statistical physics, the part in Callen is a good start. Also Schroedinger's little book is quite nice, and short.

I really recommend to learn thermo and statistics separately. Nowadays there is a tendency to teach them together, but this only creates confusion or gives only superficial view of thse difficult subjects.
 
asdff529 said:
Would anyone recommend some books for me to learn about thermodynamics and optics.
I was stuck on choosing books since either of them are too difficult or a little bit simple.
I don't where I should post,I am apologize for any inconvenient cause.

I might be misunderstanding, but applying thermodynamic principles to optics is typically called 'radiometry'- Wolfe's book is a good introduction:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0819427586/?tag=pfamazon01-20

There's a quite a few under the name of 'nonimaging optics' and solar energy applications, but I don't have any of those to recommend.
 
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thx for recommending me such awesome,powerful books .
But I'm just able to read year1 books,since I'm not a university student,i'm just interested in physics
Would you mind to recommend geometrical optics,instead of physical optics?
And i'd like to have thermodynamics and optics teaching materials separately.
I've asked similar question on other forum,they recommended me a book called 'Heat and thermodynamics',Zemansky M.W.,Dittman R.H.
Would it be suitable for me?
All of you give me a lot of useful information after all,thx a lot.
 
asdff529 said:
thx for recommending me such awesome,powerful books .
But I'm just able to read year1 books,since I'm not a university student,i'm just interested in physics

I am also learning about Physics for enjoyment and have a similar problem. The books written for the public are simplified to uselessness and academic books require intense background.
 
In that case, I think maybe good intermediate level books for you guys could be Feynman's lectures on physics. They are easily readable and still contain good physics, without oversimplification.
 
For thermodynamics i recommend you Thermodynamics: An Engineering Approach by Yunus Cengel
 

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