Boolean Expression Simplification

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The discussion focuses on simplifying two Boolean expressions using laws of Boolean algebra. For the first expression, participants conclude that it simplifies to y' after correcting initial mistakes. The second expression also simplifies to p, with clarification on the cancellation of terms. Participants discuss the lack of a specific order in applying rules, emphasizing the importance of recognizing cancellations and factoring. Overall, the conversation highlights common pitfalls in Boolean simplification and the need for careful application of algebraic laws.
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Homework Statement


Simplify the following expressions
(x'y'+xy'+x'y)

(p+q'p)(p+qr)


Homework Equations


Laws of boolean algebra

The Attempt at a Solution


For the first one I've found many ways to solve it... something isn't right here
(x'y'+xy'+x'y)
=x'(y'+y)+xy'
=x'+xy'
=x'+x+y'
=y'

OR

=y'(x'+x)+x'y
=y'+x'y
=y'+x'+y
=x'
I'm definantly doing something wrong here... probably making up laws :biggrin:

For the second I'm not sure if the last line is even possible
(p+q'p)(p+qr)
=pp+pqr+ppq'+q'qr
=p+pqr+pq'+0
=p+pqr
=p? Can I do that with pqr having 3 variables?
 
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mad_monkey_j said:
=x'+xy'
=x'+x+y'
=y'
That is wrong. Apply:

a+a'b=a+b

For the second question, replace the fist factor by p+q'p=p. You made a mistake in the derivation, but the result is p.

ehild
 
Ahh so the first is
=x'+y'

and with the second if I change it to:
p(p+qr)
won't I end up with
=p+pqr in the end anyway?

Also how do you know what rule you're supose to use? Is there a specific order or is it just whatever you notice first?
 
mad_monkey_j said:
and with the second if I change it to:
p(p+qr)
won't I end up with
=p+pqr in the end anyway?

I said the result was correct. You made a mistake as the last term was q'qpr, but it canceled because of q'q.

mad_monkey_j said:
Also how do you know what rule you're suppose to use? Is there a specific order or is it just whatever you notice first?

There are no general recipes.
Use what you notice first, but it helps if you notice when something cancels, for example E+a=E, a+a'=E, aa'=0. Factor out what you can, so a+ab=a(E+b)=a. But it is not a rule; sometimes you need to apply other tricks.

ehild
 
ehild said:
I said the result was correct. You made a mistake as the last term was q'qpr, but it canceled because of q'q.



There are no general recipes.
Use what you notice first, but it helps if you notice when something cancels, for example E+a=E, a+a'=E, aa'=0. Factor out what you can, so a+ab=a(E+b)=a. But it is not a rule; sometimes you need to apply other tricks.

ehild

Ahh fair enough, thanks for the help.
 
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