Bounded Monotonic Sequence Theorem

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The discussion revolves around the Bounded Monotonic Sequence Theorem and its application to the sequence defined by \{a_{i} \} = \Big\{ i - \sqrt{i^{2}+1} \Big\}. Participants are exploring the convergence of this sequence and the necessary conditions for applying the theorem, particularly regarding bounds.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the sequence's monotonicity and upper bound, while questioning the existence of a lower bound. There are attempts to clarify the implications of the sequence's behavior as i increases, particularly its tendency towards negative values.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights regarding the nature of the function and its values, suggesting that the sequence is indeed bounded below by the value at i=1. However, there is still exploration of the implications of these findings and the overall application of the theorem.

Contextual Notes

There is an assumption that i represents positive integers, which influences the discussion about the bounds of the sequence. Participants are also grappling with the graphical representation of the sequence's behavior as i increases.

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Homework Statement


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Use the Bounded Monotonic Sequence Theorem to prove that the sequence:

\{a_{i} \} = \Big\{ i - \sqrt{i^{2}+1} \Big\}

Is convergent.

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The Attempt at a Solution


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I've shown that it has an upper bound and is monotonic increasing, however it is to my understanding that for me to use this theorem the sequence must be bounded (and of course have monotonicity) - i.e. have an upper and lower bound. I can't seem to show that this has a lower bound; even graphically, it just blows off to negative infinity. How should I proceed?
 
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Morgan Chafe said:

Homework Statement


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Use the Bounded Monotonic Sequence Theorem to prove that the sequence:

\{a_{i} \} = \Big\{ i - \sqrt{i^{2}+1} \Big\}

Is convergent.

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


[/B]
I've shown that it has an upper bound and is monotonic increasing, however it is to my understanding that for me to use this theorem the sequence must be bounded (and of course have monotonicity) - i.e. have an upper and lower bound. I can't seem to show that this has a lower bound; even graphically, it just blows off to negative infinity.
Why do you think this? You didn't say anything about the possible values of i, but I assume they are positive integers {1, 2, 3, ...}.

Consider ##f(x) = x - \sqrt{x^2 + 1}##. All of the values of this function are negative, since ##x < \sqrt{x^2 + 1}## for all x > 0. As x gets larger, the difference is smaller, and approaches zero. The largest difference comes when x is smallest (i.e., closest to zero).
Morgan Chafe said:
How should I proceed?
 
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Morgan Chafe said:

Homework Statement


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Use the Bounded Monotonic Sequence Theorem to prove that the sequence:

\{a_{i} \} = \Big\{ i - \sqrt{i^{2}+1} \Big\}

Is convergent.

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


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I've shown that it has an upper bound and is monotonic increasing, however it is to my understanding that for me to use this theorem the sequence must be bounded (and of course have monotonicity) - i.e. have an upper and lower bound. I can't seem to show that this has a lower bound; even graphically, it just blows off to negative infinity. How should I proceed?

If ##f(i) = i -\sqrt{i^2+1}## is monotonically increasing, then ##f(1) < f(2) < f(3) < \cdot##, so if ##f(1)## is a finite number, it is a lower bound!
 
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Mark44 said:
Why do you think this? You didn't say anything about the possible values of i, but I assume they are positive integers {1, 2, 3, ...}.

Consider ##f(x) = x - \sqrt{x^2 + 1}##. All of the values of this function are negative, since ##x < \sqrt{x^2 + 1}## for all x > 0. As x gets larger, the difference is smaller, and approaches zero. The largest difference comes when x is smallest (i.e., closest to zero).
Ray Vickson said:
If ##f(i) = i -\sqrt{i^2+1}## is monotonically increasing, then ##f(1) < f(2) < f(3) < \cdot##, so if ##f(1)## is a finite number, it is a lower bound!
Thank you, I think I got it now.
 

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