Boundedness: Prove that M'-m' =< M-m

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The problem involves proving a relationship between the least upper bounds (M, M') and greatest lower bounds (m, m') of a bounded function f and its absolute value |f| over a specified interval. The context is rooted in properties of bounded and integrable functions.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss the properties of bounded and integrable functions, questioning how to determine the bounds of |f|. There is exploration of cases where f takes both positive and negative values, and the implications of continuity are considered.

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Some participants have offered insights into the implications of the function being continuous and the trivial cases when f is entirely non-negative or non-positive. There is ongoing exploration of how to approach the mixed case where f has both positive and negative values, with no explicit consensus reached yet.

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Participants note the complexity of the proof and the potential relevance of continuity, although it is not specified in the original problem statement. There is also mention of the challenges faced in higher-level integration topics.

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Suppose that f(x) is a bounded function on [a,b]. If M, M&#039; denote the least upper bounds and m, m&#039; denote the greatest lower bounds of f, |f| respectively, prove that M&#039;-m&#039;\leq M-m.

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(these are the only things I have; most are properties found online)
For this, we assume that f is integrable.
If f is a bounded and integrable function on [a,b], and if M and m are the least upper and greatest lower bounds of f over [a,b], then
m(b-a)\leq \int_a^b f(x)dx\leq M(b-a) if a\leq b, and
m(b-a)\geq \int_a^b f(x)dx\geq M(b-a) if b\leq a.
Also, since f is both a bounded and integrable function on [a,b], then |f| is also bounded and integrable over [a,b].

I haven't been able to determine how to obtain the least upper and greatest lower bounds of |f|, due to how complicated the very idea is.
 
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Is the function continuous?

Note that the case that f is negative (\le 0) is trivial, the same when f is positive (\ge 0). This leaves the case that there are positive and negative function values. This might give you a lot of help.
 
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Is the function continuous?

Note that the case that f is negative (\le 0) is trivial, the same when f is positive (\ge 0). This leaves the case that there are positive and negative function values. This might give you a lot of help.

I listed the question word-for-word in the opening post, so it doesn't say anything about continuity. I guess I could assume it is continuous, but I don't know how relevant that would be.

I'm also not sure how that bit on "positive and negative function values" is supposed to be implemented (or I'm not interpreting it correctly). Could you please give a little more detail as to what you mean?

Our class is covering higher-level integration right now, and I always get tripped up on complicated proofs and the like. Then again, I was given very bad course advice...
 
f : X \longrightarrow \textbf{R}it is about the mixed case where there are x, y \in X such that f(x) &lt; 0 and f(y) &gt; 0. Therefore M &gt; 0 and m &lt; 0. We have 0 \le M&#039; \le \max(M, |m|). Combined with m &lt; 0 and m&#039; \ge 0 this gives

M&#039;- m&#039; \le \max(M, |m|) \le M - m
 
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