News Breaking Down the 2016 POTUS Race Contenders & Issues

[RonL]

I think the video on the bottom is inverted left and right (mirror image). In the US it is more common to park on the right side of the road. Other than that, I don't see any anomalies.

It's taken four beers, but things are looking right. The mirror image seems to be zoomed a little or do I need one more beer ?

 

[mheslep]

Could Obama remain in office?...

No, regardless of what happens with Clinton.

 

[Astronuc]

I'm finding it harder and harder to believe the media reports that there is nothing wrong with Hillary Clinton.

The Boston Globe reported that a doctor stated that Clinton has pneumonia. USA Today has a headline stating that Clinton has pneumonia and she was over-heated at the 9/11 memorial event. There was recent speculation in the media about Clinton having some chronic health issue.

If Clinton's health deteriorated such that she had to withdraw, and she still remained on the ballot, then the electoral college could vote for someone else, and not necessarily Trump.

 

[mheslep]

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If Clinton's health deteriorated such that she had to withdraw, and she still remained on the ballot, then the electoral college could vote for someone else, and not necessarily Trump.

In 20 or 30 of the states, the electors are bound by law to vote for party tickets, ie. the party nominees. Failure to comply is a felony. There's some speculation that in the event of a withdrawal or death of a nominee, the party 'leadership' could hastily nominate somebody else, but that seems highly improbable and short of any legal basis as to who constitutes party leadership without a convention. The popular vote ballots are already set, absentee voting has already begun. I doubt a nominee incapacitation makes any legal difference at this time. The electors can change their minds among nominees already on the ballot. If either nominee declares a withdrawal or dies, then the VP nominee who wins the electoral becomes the VP elect, and then the 20th amendment takes over and makes him President.
http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/electors.html

 

[Dotini]

In 20 or 30 of the states, the electors are bound by law to vote for party tickets, ie. the party nominees. Failure to comply is a felony. There's some speculation that in the event of a withdrawal or death of a nominee, the party 'leadership' could hastily nominate somebody else, but that seems highly improbable and short of any legal basis as to who constitutes party leadership without a convention. The popular vote ballots are already set, absentee voting has already begun. I doubt a nominee incapacitation makes any legal difference at this time. The electors can change their minds among nominees already on the ballot. If either nominee declares a withdrawal or dies, then the VP nominee who wins the electoral becomes the VP elect, and then the 20th amendment takes over and makes him President.
http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/electors.html

It seems as if we could be headed for a constitutional crisis. Terribly irresponsible to allow this to happen. But hey, new adventures can be fun. Oh, to be a popcorn salesman.

 

[jim hardy]

It's taken four beers, but things are looking right. The mirror image seems to be zoomed a little or do I need one more beer ?

I'd say you're right Somebody did sloppy work.

Here they are, i snipped both at 1 second and pasted both into Paint , bottom one reduced to 98% and hit "flip horizontal" .
Look at the building across the street. Windows line up when reversed.

old jim

 

[jtbell]

Of course, we've already had at least one president who was prone to stumbling:

 

[Salvador]

Considering that the US has a history of presidents getting shot and shot at in assassination attempts , I would say personal health problems are a low risk for anyone's candidacy.

Also to reflect on mheslep and his post I think given the way things are going right now, even if Hillary was in a worse paralyzed state than Stephen Hawking she would still make it to the White House.

 

[Dotini]

Award winning MSNBC journalist David Shuster tweets that DNC is meeting to consider emergency replacement for Hillary Clinton.

David ShusterVerified account‏@DavidShuster
Clarification from dem operatives @HillaryClinton pneumonia: Expect emergency DNC meeting to CONSIDER replacement. #HillarysHealth

 

[mheslep]

Award winning MSNBC journalist David Shuster tweets that DNC is meeting to consider emergency replacement for Hillary Clinton.

David ShusterVerified account‏@DavidShuster
Clarification from dem operatives @HillaryClinton pneumonia: Expect emergency DNC meeting to CONSIDER replacement. #HillarysHealth

The nebulous thing called the 'DNC' can't directly replace the Democratic nominee of the Convention anymore than the RNC can replace the Democratic nominee.

 

[Greg Bernhardt]

I'm finding it harder and harder to believe the media reports that there is nothing wrong with Hillary Clinton.

She's taking some missteps in handling this. Very unfortunate.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...-hillary-clinton-suffers-from-isnt-pneumonia/

 

[mheslep]

Of course, we've already had at least one president who was prone to stumbling:..

More like the press was prone to reporting their own narrative that Ford was prone to stumble.

A tendency to grant 'nothing to see here' dismissals of the evidence invites disaster down the road, especially when the tendency allows an incapable candidate to beat out perfectly capable candidates (e.g. Jim Webb).

 

[Dotini]

The nebulous thing called the 'DNC' can't directly replace the Democratic nominee of the Convention anymore than the RNC can replace the Democratic nominee.

Actually, my understanding is that the DNC can act unilaterally in naming a new nominee, should the present one step aside. On the other hand, I believe the RNC rules require a vote of the delegates under similar circumstances.

 

[Salvador]

Well quite frankly I doubt Hillary will stay this one out , she has waited basically all her life to get to this point. If this would be 18th century given her likely condition and age and pressure that she's under she would probably be dead by now but this is the 21st century and she has all kinds of assistance and lots of money earned in various ways... , so I think she'll get the best docs and they will literally stitch her together and she will probably come back stronger than ever.
My grandfather a good old man is 89 years old now , when he was 87 he broke both of his hips and spent close to 8 months in hospital and his heart almost failed at many points but now he's back and living fine in a wheelchair , so modern medicine can do wonders for people who would otherwise long be dead given the conditions of the human race merely a hundred years ago.

Sorry for my dark tone here but I just want to stick to real probabilities , I think Hillary is more likely to die from a sniper shot or some crazy man who hates her dearly than from a mere physical condition.
So both her fans and critics as myself we can relax , things will probably be back to usual next week.After all I want to see her against Trump in the debates , both are one of a kind they could make an interesting watch especially for those who follow through what they say and know how politics works.

 

[Greg Bernhardt]

Since Hitchens passing, Sam Harris is my new fave intellectual!

 

[Dotini]

In what seems like some kind of grotesque hoax or joke, it seems WABC TV Ch 7 in New York City has (prematurely?) announced Hillary Clinton's death.
https://www.superstation95.com/index.php/world/1996

 

[Salvador]

I am not sure since I didn't go through all of what that link has but it seems conspiracy theories are already up and running saying that the real Hillary is dead and the one which came out from her daughters apartment is a makeshift Hillary. :D::D
I wonder will Trump notice the difference ... :D

Its so interesting to see how the average human brain works when it needs to grasp simple moments of famous people getting ill or having their own problems.

Anyway I wonder where did they hide the real Hillary , help me out folks I'm getting nervous I want to know...

Maybe the "bad and evil, imperialist, bad" (ops I guess I already said bad once) Russians have not only hacked the DNC but also Hillary herself and now they are shutting her down.

 

[mheslep]

Actually, my understanding is that the DNC can act unilaterally in naming a new nominee, should the present one step aside. On the other hand, I believe the RNC rules require a vote of the delegates under similar circumstances.

Who is the DNC? If I go today and volunteer to stuff envelopes in some office with DNC on the door, do I have a say in a possible replacement nominee? You'll first have to say *who* the DNC is before granting it power. Then explain how the DNC will get its new nominee on the ballots and through the states to the state appointed electors, "in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct".

 

[Dotini]

Who is the DNC? If I go today and volunteer to stuff envelopes in some office with DNC on the door, do I have a say in a possible replacement nominee? You'll first have to say *who* the DNC is before granting it power. Then explain how the DNC will get its new nominee on the ballots and through the states to the state appointed electors, "in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct".

"She won't withdraw unless she has to. But anxious Democrats will be so worried if she fails to be able to campaign and her health escalates as an issue that they might bring unbearable pressure on her to step aside.

If that happened, the Party rules state that the Democratic National Committee -- two from each state -- would be empowered to nominate a new presidential candidate. Tim Kaine would have no special claim on the nomination and, if there were a switch in the presidential nominee, would remain as the VP candidate."
http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/Dick-Morris-Hillary-replaced-Biden/2016/09/11/id/747703/

 

[Vanadium 50]

Picking on a sick woman. That's...um...deplorable.

 

[Salvador]

Given the moral and ethical lows that modern society and especially this race has come to , I must say Parkinson's or any other disease she or anyone else could have or has is the lesser problem for this race.

How about chronic diseases that have been diagnosed long ago like,suspiciously large speaking fees , shady deals , hidden tax returns ,unrealistic plans for the ignorant folks to catch their vote.
What strikes me most is probably the fact that a country with little over 300 million people has such a hard time finding two or more decent presidential candidates.
Oh and just for the record , sure you are correct in saying that it's a bad style to pick on a old and sick woman , but she's not just any woman , she's not just a woman walking down the street and falling down , trust me I would gladly help any such lady in any such scenario, I think when some folks want to see Hillary sick or dead I somewhat understand them , I don't agree with that but I understand that feeling because Hillary stands for a certain agenda and she is a public figure with a high chance of getting elected.

For her personal health I wish her well but for some of her ideas I wish she and her alike lost all their memory and their stupid and foolish policies would forever be gone and away.

As this all unfolds and goes along I still wonder , what exactly is that makes the liberals so open towards different cultures even ones that in their very core stand against the very values that formed the US and on which these modern day liberals can sit and eat and enjoy themselves.
Think what you want about me but I know the truth as I have seen it so many times and I say this , a liberal is a modern day communist , he may not think of himself as such but his policies and the very ideas he believes in are just as unreal in the long term and just as devastating for himself and others as those of communism.The only reason that saves the liberal for longer than the communist is that he isn't messing around with economy much and let's capitalism go on and serve the evil and selfish hearts of mankind.
And the liberal is lazier than the communist , he is less of a fanatic this all is the reason why liberalism has survived up until now and spread.
But make no mistake as any man who cuts the very tree on which he sits the liberal will go down the same path as the communist as the nazi and any other unnatural man made fallacy.

The problem the modern day liberal doesn't see is that people are not ready and not willing to share their life and space with other folks who may heavily disagree with them on many issues and I don't see a problem with that.The only way this could work is as with communism every man has to have a complete change in his thinking - utopia is a humble word to describe this.

For those who don't know , Soviets had a variety of posters with slogans like equality and brotherhood , they too tried to make different vastly different cultures and people somehow neighbors and friends, this didn't work well probably even worse than the planned economy.
Here we are modern day western world again striving for the same dead beliefs of the 20th century.

Sadly the US hasn't learned from Europe , Europe always makes the way first both in history and in misery , both world wars etc .This time it's no different , the very birthplace of modern western civilization has made it's first once more only this time in the way of destroying of what's left of the weak and divided liberal Europe.
Millions of stupid uneducated fools mixed with some true peace seekers are flooding Europe , their looting trucks on France's highways , leaving a mess after themselves , some refuse shower when presented with such an option.
their raping young girls by the thousands and stabbing pregnant woman.

You know what sickens me ? I'm not saying Trump is a great guy but when Trump says something mild he is suddenly on the cover pages of all media but when some stupid absolutely useless trash of a black skinned murderer stabs a lady in a supermarket in Sweden and calls Allahu Akbar this somehow doesn't make headlines.A pathetic situation.
Some friends of mine living in Sweden say the police rather don't go to the Muslim immigrant neighborhoods , great now even help has ran away.Same issue in France.How many times have immigrants in their filthy ghettos started riots , burning cars , smashing windows etc.And remember these are mostly folks who have been there for like years , not the recent immigrants so I suppose that over those years they maybe had a real chance at making a good living ehh?...
And even if somehow those low IQ's have been disrespected by the government is starting a riot the only way to fight for your rights in a modern civilized democracy ? I too have much to say against my government but I don't go throwing rocks and the government building and drinking all night.
Oh but guess what the media says they have rights , oh sure excuse me i'll silently move over so that all these stupid reckless trash can exercise their constitutional rights of killing, burning , destroying property and simply being a fool.Oh just one more thing , recently the United Nations made a add featuring some refugees and the add says that if we would be in their situation we would run too.
No we would not , we were through both world wars and my family fought for this country and gave their lives so that we could live in a country and build our lives.
I have a question why don't the muslims finally get together and start thinking ad fighting for their countries and building their homes?
The answer is simple , first because many proxy wars have devastated their region but secondly and this is the most important reason - because their are unable to advance and live in peace and that has all to do with their way of thinking , their RELIGION and much more.
If someone is a true housekeeper others will respect him and his house but if someone only seeks easy shortcuts and doesn't want to look after his house sooner or later his house will be in ruins.

The Muslims just as the Blacks have to get their act together finally and then oh what a wonderful world this could be.

 

[RonL]

Picking on a sick woman. That's...um...deplorable.

I believe she has coughed her way out of more than one confrontation.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/201...-struggles-fight-back-coughing-attack-n643026

 

[Salvador]

With all due respect , I would focus more on her real policy and serving office issues than a cough that might have been on purpose or a follow up on her latest medical problems.
Otherwise all the media reports about this race is either Trumps rants and Hillary's medical condition , but what about the issues that the next president must face , what about those ?Hillary's health? If you ask me here's a feeling I have.Hillary will be fine , as will be Trump , they will get together and debate , and most likely , I'd say some 80% Hilary will win this election simply because conservative ideas and especially more hardcore conservative ideas are starting to be the minority in US , also the US population background has changed and is not what it used to be some 30/40 years ago , more Latinos , Muslims , etc.
The current US is a wide mix of colors and races and most of them either liberals or rather liberals than conservatives + add Trump's harsh language and his shortcomings which scare even the usual hardcore conservatives and you get a Hillary president.
My 2 cents of prophecy.

 

[gleem]

One issue that has not been given enough attention is Trumps business interests and what he would do with them if elected. Surely at a minimum he must divest both his self and his family of any interest in the business using a blind trust during his presidency as previous presidents have. However his business is so large and expansive containing a multitude of international involvement that there are likely going to be conflicts of interest. In a Newsweek article " HOW THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION'S FOREIGN BUSINESS TIES COULD UPEND U.S. NATIONAL SECURITY" some of Trump's international business dealing are discussed and it is noted that even if he puts his business into a blind trust he still knows the foreign entities with which he is doing business with. The best solution would be to permanently divest himself and his family the the business. . Such a sacrifice would have to be made for his country. Would he do that? This seems to be a huge issue. Perhaps this issue will be discussed in the debates.

 

[Salvador]

Yup that would be an issue , as much as he says he is ready to put his business behind for the country , I doubt that , after all the presidency is for only 4 years , maybe 8 at best , after that you still have to live and leave stuff your children and I think he wants to have himself and leave them as much as he can so abandoning his business is probably the last thought in his head.

Actually I think that of the many goals he hopes to achieve with his candidacy especially if he wins , one of the biggest would actually be to increase his ratings and get more clients and more cash from his business , after all spending a night in a hotel that belongs to the US president sounds rather fancy.

 

[Dotini]

Perhaps Trump will want to build a new, more modern and safer White House? The old one is getting pretty rickety and vulnerable to the odd kook who jumps the fence. And don't forget it was designed by Masons and built by slaves - really, a national embarrassment. I think the great bulk of Trump supporters couldn't care less what he does as president, as long as they get good jobs, secure borders, and sound money in the bank. Remember, this election isn't about anything but the voters themselves. It's a prairie fire, a grassroots, populist rebellion against the failures of the elite establishment to protect the most vital national interests.

 

[mheslep]

Some weeks ago Trump "softened" the deportation aspect of his immigration position. However, his plan to build-the-wall on the southern US border plan remains unchanged. And now new barriers on borders are not unique:

Reuters:

...Norway is putting up a steel fence at a remote Arctic border post with Russia after an influx of migrants last year, sparking an outcry from refugees' rights groups and fears that cross- border ties with the former Cold War adversary will be harmed.

Telegraph:

...Britain is to build more than two miles of high-security fencing at the Channel Tunnel port in northern France, in an attempt to stop thousands of illegal migrants breaking into lorries bound for the UK.

 

[kyphysics]

Should this concern us? Posted a snippet of the article below.

http://observer.com/2016/09/wikileaks-guccifer-2-0-obama-sold-off-public-offices-to-donors/

WikiLeaks’ Guccifer 2.0: Obama Sold Off Public Offices to Donors
Corruption doesn't start or end with Hillary
By Michael Sainato • 09/14/16 11:00am

On September 13, WikiLeaks lived up to its promise of releasing more Democratic National Committee (DNC) documents. This time they were from hacker Guccifer 2.0, serving as a teaser for larger and likely more embarrassing leaks from the DNC and Hillary Clinton campaign.

Both the Democratic Party and Clinton campaign have attempted to insulate themselves from the content of the releases by alleging the hacks were organized by the Russian government. The claims are a mix of paranoia and PR/damage control, and will have enduring consequences. It may lead to what former Secretary of Defense William Perry referred to as a drift back into Cold War mentalities.

The leaks include more evidence of overt corruption within the DNC. One email dated May 18, 2016, from Jacquelyn Lopez, an attorney with the law firm Perkins Coie, asked DNC staff if they could set up a brief call “to go over our process for handling donations from donors who have given us pay to play letters.”Included in the leak was a list of high-profile donors from 2008 and the ambassadorship they received in exchange for their large donation to the DNC and Barack Obama’s Organizing For Action (OFA). Essentially, Obama was auctioning off foreign ambassador positions and other office positions while Hillary Clinton served as secretary of state. The largest donor listed at contributions totaling over $3.5 million, Matthew Barzun, served as U.S. Ambassador to Sweden from 2009 to 2011, served as President Obama’s National Finance Chair during his 2012 reelection campaign, and now serves as U.S. Ambassador to the United Kingdom.

The second largest donor, Julius Genachowski, donated just under $3.5 million to the DNC and OFA, and in exchange was appointed chairman of the FCC by Obama in 2009.

The third largest donor on the list, Frank Sanchez, donated just over $3.4 million and exchange was appointed to Undersecretary of Commerce for International Trade by Obama in 2010.

A 2013 article published by the Guardian corroborates the pay-to-play scheme this list suggests. “Barack Obama has rewarded some of his most active campaign donors with plum jobs in foreign embassies, with the average amount raised by recent or imminent appointees soaring to $1.8m per post, according to a Guardian analysis,” wrote Dan Roberts. “The practice is hardly a new feature of U.S. politics, but career diplomats in Washington are increasingly alarmed at how it has grown. One former ambassador described it as the selling of public office.”

 

[Dotini]

Should this concern us? Posted a snippet of the article below.

http://observer.com/2016/09/wikileaks-guccifer-2-0-obama-sold-off-public-offices-to-donors/

WikiLeaks’ Guccifer 2.0: Obama Sold Off Public Offices to Donors
Corruption doesn't start or end with Hillary
By Michael Sainato • 09/14/16 11:00am

On September 13, WikiLeaks lived up to its promise of releasing more Democratic National Committee (DNC) documents. This time they were from hacker Guccifer 2.0, serving as a teaser for larger and likely more embarrassing leaks from the DNC and Hillary Clinton campaign.

Both the Democratic Party and Clinton campaign have attempted to insulate themselves from the content of the releases by alleging the hacks were organized by the Russian government. The claims are a mix of paranoia and PR/damage control, and will have enduring consequences. It may lead to what former Secretary of Defense William Perry referred to as a drift back into Cold War mentalities.

The leaks include more evidence of overt corruption within the DNC. One email dated May 18, 2016, from Jacquelyn Lopez, an attorney with the law firm Perkins Coie, asked DNC staff if they could set up a brief call “to go over our process for handling donations from donors who have given us pay to play letters.”Included in the leak was a list of high-profile donors from 2008 and the ambassadorship they received in exchange for their large donation to the DNC and Barack Obama’s Organizing For Action (OFA). Essentially, Obama was auctioning off foreign ambassador positions and other office positions while Hillary Clinton served as secretary of state. The largest donor listed at contributions totaling over $3.5 million, Matthew Barzun, served as U.S. Ambassador to Sweden from 2009 to 2011, served as President Obama’s National Finance Chair during his 2012 reelection campaign, and now serves as U.S. Ambassador to the United Kingdom.

The second largest donor, Julius Genachowski, donated just under $3.5 million to the DNC and OFA, and in exchange was appointed chairman of the FCC by Obama in 2009.

The third largest donor on the list, Frank Sanchez, donated just over $3.4 million and exchange was appointed to Undersecretary of Commerce for International Trade by Obama in 2010.

A 2013 article published by the Guardian corroborates the pay-to-play scheme this list suggests. “Barack Obama has rewarded some of his most active campaign donors with plum jobs in foreign embassies, with the average amount raised by recent or imminent appointees soaring to $1.8m per post, according to a Guardian analysis,” wrote Dan Roberts. “The practice is hardly a new feature of U.S. politics, but career diplomats in Washington are increasingly alarmed at how it has grown. One former ambassador described it as the selling of public office.”

Oh this is rich! The NY Times ran basically the same story, but makes it out that the DNC is "the victim of a crime". Clearly your post should be deleted as a conspiracy, as there is a US media blackout on the corruption and crime element of the story.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/14/u...ss&smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=1&mtrref=t.co

 

[kyphysics]

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/op-ed-ouch-powell-emails-150723886.html

Jake Novak (CNBC) had this to say of the Powell email leaks:

Far more damaging are the emails where Powell discusses Clinton, her email scandal, her health, and her apparent hatred of President Obama. I suspect each of these suddenly very current topics, and not the slam on Trump, are the real reason why the alleged hacking outfit, DCLeaks.com chose to publish the emails now.

This could be damaging to HRC if it's revealed she had some actual deep dislike or hate of Obama.