Building a small hot air balloon

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the hypothetical construction of a small hot air balloon intended to elevate a 360 camera without the use of a drone. Participants explore various methods, materials, and considerations for achieving this goal, including the use of helium versus hot air, safety concerns, and historical anecdotes related to ballooning.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Historical

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest using helium balloons instead of hot air balloons for ease of construction and effectiveness.
  • One participant notes that a typical helium balloon can lift only a small weight, proposing that approximately 25 helium balloons would be needed for a 350g camera.
  • Historical examples are shared, including a story about college students using a dry cleaner bag to lift a candle, which led to UFO reports.
  • Concerns are raised about the safety and practicality of using multiple balloons, especially regarding wind conditions and potential hazards near electric wires.
  • Some participants discuss the current helium shortage and suggest using hydrogen as an alternative, while acknowledging the associated risks.
  • A cautionary tale is shared about a failed attempt to deliver a love letter via a helium balloon, emphasizing the importance of checking equipment.
  • Variations on balloon designs, such as Japanese lanterns, are mentioned as potential alternatives for achieving lift.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the feasibility of using balloons to lift a camera but express differing opinions on the best type of balloon to use, the safety implications, and the current availability of helium. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the optimal approach and materials.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight various assumptions, such as the weight capacity of balloons, the impact of weather conditions, and the risks associated with different lifting gases. There is no consensus on the best method or materials for building the balloon.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to hobbyists exploring aerial photography, individuals curious about ballooning techniques, and those considering alternative methods for lifting payloads without drones.

  • #31
bob012345 said:
How high do you want to go? Could you rig up a kite? You already have the string...
Maybe 4 or 5 stories high.
 
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  • #32
LightningInAJar said:
Maybe 4 or 5 stories high.
See post #6. But check the spool/twine.
 
  • #33
jrmichler said:
Back in the 1960's, some college students in Appleton, Wisconsin found that a dry cleaner bag would lift a candle. The candle provided enough heat to lift the bag and candle, plus enough light to generate UFO reports.
Oh, memories. My friends and I did this, around seventh grade. I don't remember where we got the idea. We used two crossed balsa sticks to hold the bottom of the bag open. Scotch tape to seal the openings in the top of the bag. For heat, we fashioned a small dish out of aluminum foil, and taped it to the center of the sticks. Fill dish with denatured alcohol and light.
berkeman said:
Well if he was going hunting, you'd think he would have used better-camoflaged baloons! :wink:
I'm sure the pellet gun was for popping his balloons one by one when he wanted to descend.
bob012345 said:
I would think they are fire hazards and should not be set free at all.
We had a slight crosswind during our final dry-cleaner bag flight. The balloon was carried into the top of a large pine tree in the neighbor's yard. We watched it for about an hour, afraid we had set the tree on fire. I lay awake that night listening for fire trucks.
 
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  • #34
Do they have RC hot air balloons? I would like to avoid hydrogen for sure and helium because of difficulty getting it and the quantity of balloons needed to get a meaningful amount of lift. Would heating air make a big difference compared to lighter gases alone? My 360 camera actually is pretty light.
 
  • #36
LightningInAJar said:
Do they have RC hot air balloons? I would like to avoid hydrogen for sure and helium because of difficulty getting it and the quantity of balloons needed to get a meaningful amount of lift. Would heating air make a big difference compared to lighter gases alone? My 360 camera actually is pretty light.
Have you really checked on the difficulty getting Helium? Do you know you can't get it at some local store?
 
  • #37
bob012345 said:
Have you really checked on the difficulty getting Helium? Do you know you can't get it at some local store?
Most high streets have Party Supply shops. You can even buy them in my local village card / toy shop. Afaiaa, there are very little special restriction involved with 'balloon gas'. Just ask around.
 
  • #38
Larger balloons are inexpensive and easy to find, for example this one I found on Amazon. The one in the picture claims to be able to lift 500g, for just $17.

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Helium can also be bought locally in most places.
 
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  • #39
Thread closed temporarily for Moderation...
 
  • #40
I think we've addressed the OP's question fairly well, and pointed out the dangers of trying to use fire to heat air for an uncrewed vehicle. The OP may live in an area where wildfires are not a concern, but here in the Western US and many other places, wildfires have been increasing in number and severity over the past decade or so. Since many readers of this thread in the future will be from such places with high fire danger, it's inappropriate to have any further discussion on the topic.

Stay safe folks, and be smart in your projects.

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https://www.teenvogue.com/story/california-wildfires-why-happening
 
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