Building Materials Refractive Index?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the refractive indices of various building materials, specifically for modeling the transmission of electromagnetic waves at microwave frequencies, particularly 2.4 GHz. Participants inquire about the refractive indices of materials such as wall bricks, wood, glass, plastic, and concrete, and seek information on how these indices may vary based on different conditions.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests the refractive indices of various building materials, emphasizing their use in houses.
  • Another participant questions the relevance of refractive indices for non-transparent materials, suggesting that the wavelength is crucial for determining usefulness.
  • A participant specifies the need for absolute refractive indices at a microwave frequency of 2.4 GHz for modeling electromagnetic wave transmission.
  • It is noted that the refractive index can be complex, incorporating both refraction and attenuation properties, which may affect microwave transmission.
  • One participant mentions that the dielectric constant and attenuation properties are significant, referencing the loss tangent and providing a formula related to attenuation.
  • Several participants share links to articles and studies that may contain relevant data on microwave properties of building materials, including concrete and mortar.
  • A suggestion is made to test materials in a microwave oven to determine their absorptive properties based on temperature changes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of agreement on the relevance of refractive indices for different materials and their applicability at microwave frequencies. There is no consensus on specific values or the best methods to obtain them, as well as differing opinions on the importance of material transparency.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of measuring refractive indices for non-transparent materials and the potential influence of factors such as water content in materials like brick and concrete. There are also references to the limitations of existing online data and the need for specific conditions to be met for accurate modeling.

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Building Materials Refractive Index??

Hi all,

does anybody know the refractive indices of these materials (used in houses)?
- Wall bricks
- Wood (used in doors)
- Glass
- Plastic
- Concrete (in ceiling and floor)

and any other common materials :)

thanks in advance
 
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At what wavelength?
The refractive index of something that isn't transparent isn't much use
 


I want it to model transmission of electro-magnetic waves (not light) ..

at microwave frequency 2.4 GHz

If it is possible I want the absolute refractive index

thanks
 


Google shows up a bunch of papers for microwave and Ka band frequency
In practice the wavelength is similair to the thickness of building materials in a wall so modelling it might be trickier - I would imagine it's also very dependent on water content of something like brick/concrete
 


The index of refraction (= sqrt(dielectric constant)) in materials is a complex number, meaning that it has both refraction properties (like glass) and attenuation properties (like opaqueness). It is the attenuation property that reduces the transmission of microwaves.
Propagator = ejωt-γz where γ is complex: γ = +/-sqrt(σμjω-εμω2)
The ratio of attenuation to dielectric constant is called the loss tangent.
tan(δ) = σ/εω. So attenuation is proportional to
e-sqrt(σμω)z
See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loss_tangent

α β γ δ ε ζ η θ ι κ λ μ ν ξ ο π ρ ς σ τ υ φ χ ψ ω
 


whitenight541 said:
I want it to model transmission of electro-magnetic waves (not light) ..

at microwave frequency 2.4 GHz

If it is possible I want the absolute refractive index

thanks

There's a lot of available data online and elsewhere, for example:

http://www.springerlink.com/content/xx771h5054762518/
 
Here is another article on microwave losses in concrete and mortar. See Figures 6 thru 15.
http://web.mit.edu/istgroup/ist/documents/1998_EM%20properties%20of%20concrete%20at%20microwave%20freq%20range_HCR%20&%20OB.pdf
You might put some samples in a microwave oven. If the get warm (or hot), they are good absorbers. If they remain cool, they are not good absorbers.
 
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Andy Resnick said:
There's a lot of available data online and elsewhere, for example:

http://www.springerlink.com/content/xx771h5054762518/

I don't have a springerlink account .. I would be so grateful if you just posted the refractive indices :)

Thanks in advance
 

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