Bulk Angular Momentum: Definition & Explanation

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The discussion revolves around the concept of bulk angular momentum as presented in the context of fluid dynamics, specifically referencing the book "Transport Phenomena." Participants explore the definitions and implications of bulk versus internal angular momentum, raising questions about their relationship and conversion in fluid systems.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant cites a source that describes the relationship between the equation of motion and angular momentum, introducing the term "bulk angular momentum" and questioning its definition.
  • Another participant proposes that bulk angular momentum refers to the overall angular momentum of an object, while internal angular momentum is a vector field representing angular momentum at specific points within the object.
  • Questions are raised about how to visualize or calculate the total angular momentum of a fluid stream.
  • There is a suggestion that the conversion between bulk and internal angular momentum occurs when the motion of an object affects the internal structure of the fluid, as illustrated by the example of moving a glass of water.
  • A participant expresses confusion about the intuitiveness of the explanations provided, indicating a need for further clarification.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the definitions and implications of bulk and internal angular momentum, with ongoing questions and differing interpretations remaining unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of detailed definitions for "bulk angular momentum" and "internal angular momentum," as well as the absence of specific mathematical formulations for calculating total angular momentum in fluid streams.

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According to the book "transport phenomena" by Lightfoot, Byron and Stewart if you take the cross product of the equation of motion (for very small element of fluid) and the position vector ##r## you get the equation of change of angular momentum. After some manipulation of vectors and tensors the equation can be written in such a way that a this term shows up:
$$ -[ \mathbf \epsilon \mathbf : \mathbf \tau ] $$

Where ## \mathbf \epsilon ## is a third-order tensor and ## \mathbf \tau ## is the stress-tensor.

Then the authors say:

If, on the other hand, ## \mathbf \tau## is asymmetric, then the last term describes the rate of conversion of bulk angular momentum to internal angular momentum.

What "bulk angular momentum" is? I don't understand, why there are two angular momentum?
 
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I think bulk angular momentum is the angular momentum the object has as a whole, i.e. ## \vec L_b=\vec r_b \times \vec p_b ## where ##\vec r_b## and ##\vec p_b## are the position and momentum vectors of the object itself. Then the internal angular momentum has to be a vector field that tells you what is the angular momentum of a bit of the object at a particular point inside it.
 
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Thank you. I have some questions left then:

1) how exactly should I "imagine" (or calculate) the total angular momentum of stream of fluid?

2) Why is there a conversion from this two type of angular momentum ?
 
dRic2 said:
1) how exactly should I "imagine" (or calculate) the total angular momentum of stream of fluid?
I'm not quite sure. But I suppose if you're talking about ,e.g., a bucket of water, then the motion of that bucket will indicate the motion of the water inside it as a whole. Any motion that changes the shape of the water inside the bucket should be considered as internal motion because it changes the position of those bits of water relative to each other.
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2) Why is there a conversion from this two type of angular momentum ?
Well, just take a glass of water and move it, that motion will cause disturbance in the surface of the water. You just converted some bulk momentum to some internal momentum.
 
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Thanks again. It think it is not very intuitive though (your explanation was clear, I just find it a bit strange)
 

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