Calc Optimization - Point on an ellipse closest to origin.

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The problem involves finding the point on the ellipse defined by the equation x^2 - 2xy + 6y^2 = 10 that is closest to the origin (0,0). The original poster expresses difficulty in solving the equation due to the presence of the mixed term 2xy.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to understand how to isolate y from the ellipse equation to use the distance formula. Some participants suggest completing the square with respect to y as a potential method, while others clarify the process involved in this technique.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on completing the square and expressing varying levels of understanding. The original poster indicates they are gaining confidence in approaching the problem after receiving assistance.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of challenges faced in class and at the math lab, highlighting a lack of support for this specific problem. The original poster also notes their familiarity with a different ellipse equation, suggesting a contrast in complexity between the two problems.

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Homework Statement


x^2 - 2xy + 6y^2 = 10
Find the point on the ellipse closest to the origin (0,0).

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The Attempt at a Solution



Absolutely no one in my class can solve this. We've been to the math lab and none of the helpers there know how to solve it. I think the only person who knows how to solve it here is my professor, and he essentially dodges our requests for an example. I know how to solve this if the ellipse is, for example, x^3+4y^2 = 7. The problem is, this ellipse has 2xy in it and I don't know how to solve for y to plug in the distance formula.For x^3 + 4y^2 = 10:

y = [(10-x^3)/4]^.5

D = sq rt {x^2 + [(10-x^3)^.5]^2}

When D is a min, you have the closest point to the origin.

So, I essentially just need to know how to solve x^2 - 2xy + 6y^2 = 10 for y, or an alternate means to solve this problem.

Thanks!
 
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Complete the square with respect to y
 
Thanks

How do I do that?
 
It is a rather involved process. I assume you know how to complete the square for something like [itex]ax^2+bx+c[/itex]. In this case treat x as a constant and complete the square for y
 
I understand how I could take the derivative of that with respect to y... but I have no idea how to go about completing the square like that...
 
[tex]6y^2-2xy+x^2 = 6 \left( y^2-\frac{1}{3} xy \right) + x^2[/tex]
[tex]6 \left( y^2-\frac{1}{3} xy + \frac{1}{36} x^2 - \frac{1}{36} x^2 \right) + x^2[/tex]
[tex]6 \left( y^2-\frac{1}{3} xy + \frac{1}{36} x^2 \right) - \frac{1}{6} x^2 + x^2[/tex]
[tex]6 \left( y- \frac{1}{6} x \right)^2 +\frac{5}{6} x^2[/tex]

Edit: Sorry I destroyed the Typesetting so bad, trying to do math in two variables and type set at the same time threw me off
 
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Thank you so much! I think I can figure this one out now.
 

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