Calculate Earth's Angular Momentum in Solar Orbit

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The discussion revolves around calculating the angular momentum of the Earth in its orbit around the sun, specifically addressing whether it can be modeled as a particle and the implications of that assumption. Participants explore the necessary equations and values needed for the calculation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of angular momentum formulas and the implications of modeling the Earth as a particle. There are attempts to calculate angular momentum using both linear speed and moment of inertia, with questions raised about the accuracy of values used, particularly regarding the radius of Earth's orbit and the mass of the Earth.

Discussion Status

Some participants have pointed out potential errors in calculations, particularly concerning the linear speed derived from angular velocity. There is acknowledgment of missing mass components in the angular momentum calculations, leading to re-evaluation of the approach. A participant indicates progress by recalculating inertia and arriving at a correct value, suggesting a productive direction in the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that Earth's orbit is not perfectly circular, which raises questions about the appropriate radius to use in calculations. There is also mention of the need to check calculations for consistency with known physical constants, such as the speed of light.

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Homework Statement


A)Calculate the magnitude of the angular momentum of the Earth in a circular orbit around the sun.

B) Is it reasonable to model it as a particle?
Yes, considering the size of the Earth in comparison of its orbit around the sun it is reasonable to model it is a particle.

Homework Equations


L = I*ω (when considering the Earth as a rigid body)
L=r*p
I=mE*rE


The Attempt at a Solution


Assuming the Earth has a completely circular orbit:
The Earth's orbit is 2∏ radians, it completes this orbit in one year.
1 year = 3.145*107 s
2∏/3.156*107 = 1.99*10-7rad/s
Average linear speed = ω*r (radius of orbit which is 1AU or 1.49*1011
(1.99*107)*(1.49*1011)=2.977*1018m/s

So, using the formula L=r x p
(1.49*1011)*(2.977*1018)*sin90°=4.45*1029m^2/s

But, this was not the answer masteringphysics was looking for.

So, using the formula L=Iω
I calculated I (mass of the Earth*radius) = (3.81*1031)*(1.99*10-7) = 7.58*1024 kg*m2/s

And that's also not the answer masteringphysics was looking for.
I'm not sure if I made a mistake somewhere in my calculations or if I'm not using the right values for mass, radius of Earth etc. Because Earth's orbit is non circular I'm not sure at what point in Earth's orbit they wanted us to consider as the radius. I choose one AU because it's an averaged value.

Thoughts?
 
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MissEuropa said:
Average linear speed = ω*r (radius of orbit which is 1AU or 1.49*1011
(1.99*107)*(1.49*1011)=2.977*1018m/s
Always check your answers for sanity. What is the speed of light? This number is obviously wrong. In fact, it is exactly 14 orders of magnitude wrong. That should give you a hint.
 
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MissEuropa said:
Assuming the Earth has a completely circular orbit:
The Earth's orbit is 2∏ radians, it completes this orbit in one year.
1 year = 3.145*107 s
2∏/3.156*107 = 1.99*10-7rad/s
Average linear speed = ω*r (radius of orbit which is 1AU or 1.49*1011
(1.99*107)*(1.49*1011)=2.977*1018m/s

So, using the formula L=r x p
(1.49*1011)*(2.977*1018)*sin90°=4.45*1029m^2/s
Momentum has units of mass*velocity or mass*length/time. Angular momentum has units of mass*length2/time. Where's the mass in your answer?
 
D H said:
Momentum has units of mass*velocity or mass*length/time. Angular momentum has units of mass*length2/time. Where's the mass in your answer?

Just caught that. I'm reworking now and I'll update soon. :-) thanks for the help
 
giustra199 said:
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Thankies!
So, I started from the beginning again, as not to confuse myself. Calculated the inertia of the Earth (which is why I was missing a mass component in my final answer) and got it right.

Symbolic math is the way to go for the most part, then plugging in numbers afterward.
I ended up with 2.67*1040 kg*m2/s

Thanks for the help again.
 
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MissEuropa said:
Symbolic math is the way to go for the most part, then plugging in numbers afterward.
Absolutely. Most students never seem to learn that.
 

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