Calculate Flue Gas Flow Rate for 5 Bar Steam Generation

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The discussion revolves around calculating the flue gas flow rate for steam generation from a fuel gas mixture consisting of butane, propane, and butene. Participants explore the combustion process, heat capacities, enthalpy values, and the resulting steam production, while addressing potential errors in calculations and assumptions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a calculation for the amount of steam raised per hour based on the heat available for steam production, but expresses uncertainty about the correctness of the answer.
  • Another participant questions the origin of a temperature value used in the calculations, prompting a discussion about flame temperature and its determination.
  • Multiple participants discuss the heat released by the combustion of the fuel mixture, providing detailed calculations and questioning the assumptions made in the process.
  • Concerns are raised about the average heat capacity being greater than the values at the upper and lower temperatures, leading to further clarification requests.
  • One participant mentions using a table for gas enthalpy at various temperatures without showing the equations used, leading to requests for more detailed explanations of the data sources and calculations.
  • There is a discussion about the enthalpy values for nitrogen and how they relate to the flame temperature calculations, with participants seeking clarification on the methodology used to derive these values.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correctness of the calculations or the assumptions made. Multiple competing views and uncertainties remain regarding the flame temperature and the heat capacity values used in the calculations.

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Limitations include potential inaccuracies in the flame temperature estimation, the use of average heat capacities, and the reliance on tabulated data without detailed derivation. The discussion highlights unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions that may affect the outcomes.

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Homework Statement


A fuel gas consists of 75% butane (C4H10), 10% propane (C3H8) and 15% butene (C4H8) by volume.
It is to be fed to the combustion chamber in 10% excess air at 25°C, where it is completely burnt to carbon dioxide and water. The flue gases produced are to be used to generate 5 bar steam from water at 90°C.

If 5% of the heat available for steam production is lost to the atmosphere, determine the amount of steam raised per hour when the total flow of flue gases is 1400 kmol h–1.

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


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Cp(mean) = (Cp x T2) - (Cp1 x T1) / T2 - T1

= (2.934 x 2000) - (1.89 x 90) / 2000 - 90

= 2.98kJ/kG K then ...

delta (T) x Cp(mean) x Q x 0.95
= (198790) x 2.98 x 1400 x 0.95 = 7518579kJ/hr
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latent heat of evaporation @ 90°C = 2282 kJ / kg k

so...

7518579 / 2282
= 3295kmol/hr

I have been told that my answer is incorrect.

any help to see where i have gone wrong is appreciated.

thanks.
 
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Where did the 2000 come from?
 
Hi chestermiller.

Its the flame temperature.
I calculated the flame temperature to be 1987°C. (which might also be incorrect).

what do you make it?

Regards.
 
Please show your work.

How can the average heat capacity be greater than either of the values at the upper temperature and lower temperature?
 
Butane = -2660 kJ / mol
Propane = -2046 kJ / mol
Butane = -2540 kJ / mol

Heat released by combustion of 1 mole of the fuel :

= (0.75x2660) + (0.1x2046) + (0.15x2540) = 1995 + 204.6 + 381
= 2581 kJ

To burn 1 mole of fuel mix we require 6.3 mole of O2
and produce in our flue gas
3.9 mole of CO2
4.75 mole of H2O
with 10% excess air 1.1x6.3 = 6.93 mole O2

6.3 mole is used for the combustion 0.63 is present in the flue gas

N2 associated with the O2 supply = 6.93x3.76
=26.06 moles
N2 is unchanged through the process
Flue gas =
H2O = 4.75 moles CO2 = 3.9 moles
O2 = 0.63 moles
N2 = 26.06 moles Total = 35.34 moles

Assuming a flame temperature of 2000°C

Heat content = enthalpy x no. of moles

For N2, 66.10 x 26.06 = 1722.6 kJ
CO2, 108.32 x 3.9 = 422.5 kJ
O2, 69.65 x 0.63 = 43.9 kJ
H2O, 86.24 x 4.75 = 409.6 kJ
Total = 2598.6 kJ
Value is slightly high so assume a flame temp of 1900°C

For N2, 62.46 x 26.06 = 1627.7kJ CO2, 102.13 x 3.9 = 398.3 kJ O2, 65.81 x 0.63 = 41.5kJ H2O, 81.17 x 4.75 = 385.6 kJ

Total = 2453.1 kJ
This shows temperature must sit between 1900°C — 2000°C

I used a graph and made it to be 1987°C
 
GeorgeP1 said:
Butane = -2660 kJ / mol
Propane = -2046 kJ / mol
Butane = -2540 kJ / mol
Heat released by combustion of 1 mole of the fuel :

= (0.75x2660) + (0.1x2046) + (0.15x2540) = 1995 + 204.6 + 381
= 2581 kJ

To burn 1 mole of fuel mix we require 6.3 mole of O2
and produce in our flue gas
3.9 mole of CO2
4.75 mole of H2O
with 10% excess air 1.1x6.3 = 6.93 mole O2

6.3 mole is used for the combustion 0.63 is present in the flue gas

N2 associated with the O2 supply = 6.93x3.76
=26.06 moles
N2 is unchanged through the process
Flue gas =
H2O = 4.75 moles CO2 = 3.9 moles
O2 = 0.63 moles
N2 = 26.06 moles Total = 35.34 moles

Assuming a flame temperature of 2000°C

Heat content = enthalpy x no. of moles

For N2, 66.10 x 26.06 = 1722.6 kJ
CO2, 108.32 x 3.9 = 422.5 kJ
O2, 69.65 x 0.63 = 43.9 kJ
H2O, 86.24 x 4.75 = 409.6 kJ
Total = 2598.6 kJ
I'm having trouble figuring out what you are doing here. What is the 66.1 for N2?
 
N2 = 66.1 kj / mol is the enthalpy at 2000°C
This is how I have derived the maximum flame temp. to be 1987°C. Then from this obtained the heat capacity.
what do you make it?
 
GeorgeP1 said:
N2 = 66.1 kj / mol is the enthalpy at 2000°C
This is how I have derived the maximum flame temp. to be 1987°C. Then from this obtained the heat capacity.
what do you make it?
How did you determine this enthalpy value (per mole)? Please provide the equation and data values used.
 
my course work supplied me with a table for gas enthalpy at various temperatures. I didn't do ant equations here. I just simply used the data from the table.
then used the theory of heat in = heat out. My heat in I calculated to be 2581kj. Then i tabulated the output estimates which were within my heat content onto a graph and for a balanced combustion the flame temperature would need to be 1987°C.
I think this must be incorrect?
 

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