Calculate Height of Object & Bob at Top of Pendulum Swing

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The discussion revolves around calculating the height of an object and a pendulum bob at the top of the swing when they reach maximum displacement. The problem involves a pendulum of length L swinging through an angle theta, and participants are exploring geometric relationships to find the height, h, necessary for a mechanical energy problem.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to derive the height h using geometric relationships, specifically breaking down the problem into two triangles. They express uncertainty about the necessary geometric principles to solve for h in terms of L and theta.
  • Some participants suggest using right triangle properties to relate the sides to the angle theta, questioning how to express h based on the geometry of the pendulum's swing.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some offering geometric insights and relationships. A specific expression for h has been proposed, but the discussion remains open to further exploration of the underlying geometry and assumptions.

Contextual Notes

The original poster indicates a lack of confidence in their geometry skills, which may affect their ability to derive the necessary relationships. There is an emphasis on understanding the geometric setup rather than simply applying formulas.

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Homework Statement



What is the height of the object and pendulum bob at the top of the swing, when they have reached their maximum displacement? Keep in mind that the pendulum has a length L and swings through an angle theta.

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I am trying to find the height, h in order to be able to complete a mechanical energy problem that I am fully able to complete. My problem is that my geometry might be a little rusty and I can't seem to solve for this needed value.

I broke down the diagram into two triangles-- one is isosceles with two sides equal to L which converge to form angle theta.

The other triangle (a right triangle) shares the side opposite theta and has a leg equal to h.


Now, there must be some fancy geometry trick to be able to solve for h in terms of L and theta, but I honestly can't seem to figure it out. I am sure there is a rule for triangles that I am forgetting that will solve this.
 
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Draw a line from where the pendulum is up at the angle... draw a line from there perpendicular to the vertical (the line along which the pendulum was initially hanging)

use the right triangle formed by the angle theta... the line from the pivot to where the pendulum is up at theta (this is the hypoteneuse with length L)... and the line that you just drew (opposite to theta)...

what is the length of the side adjacent to theta. use this to get h.
 
h = L-Lcos(theta)

Thanks!
 
vertabatt said:
h = L-Lcos(theta)

Thanks!

no prob.
 

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