Calculate Pressure in a Star at Center

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The problem involves calculating the pressure at the center of a star given a density function ρ = ρ(r). The discussion centers around the gravitational forces and pressure equations relevant to stellar structures.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the gravitational attraction and pressure equations, with some questioning the integration of the density function into the calculations. Others explore the implications of assuming constant density near the center and the resulting mathematical behavior.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the mathematical relationships and potential pitfalls in the original approach. There is recognition that the singularity observed may stem from an oversight in handling the mass function and its dependence on radius.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the integration of M(r) is necessary for accurate pressure calculations and that certain assumptions about density may lead to misleading results. The complexity of integrating the structure equations for realistic models is acknowledged.

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Homework Statement


Given the density function [tex]\rho = \rho(r)[/tex] calculate the pressure at the center of a star.


Homework Equations



[tex]F = \frac{GMm}{r^2}[/tex]

[tex]P = \frac{\Delta F}{\Delta A}[/tex]


The Attempt at a Solution


Choose some radius [tex]r[/tex]. Then the gravitational attraction there is

[tex]\Delta F = \frac{GM(r) \Delta m}{r^2}[/tex]

and the resulting pressure is

[tex]P = \frac{\Delta F}{\Delta A} = \frac{GM(r)}{r^2} \frac{\Delta m}{\Delta A}[/tex].

We can interpret [tex]\Delta m[/tex] as the total mass above radius [tex]r[/tex] and [tex]A[/tex] as the area of the sphere at that radius. Then

[tex]P = \frac{GM(r) [M_0-M(r)]}{4\pi r^4}[/tex].

Near the center

[tex]\frac{M(0)}{4\pi r^3} \approx \rho_c/3[/tex]

and so

[tex]P(0) \approx \frac{G\rho _c M_0}{3r} \rightarrow \infty[/tex].

Where's my error?
 
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Don't you need to bring in the density function [tex]\rho(r)[/tex] into this in order to deal with M(r)? It seems a bit mysterious how you got a result out of

[tex] P = \frac{GM(r) [M_0-M(r)]}{4\pi r^4}[/tex]
 
I didn't get a result, I got an infinity, which I don't like. I skipped a limiting procedure in my derivation. Since I'm looking for the pressure at the center, very near to the center I can assume that density is constant with value [tex]\rho_c[/tex], so the mass out to a small radius [tex]\Delta r[/tex] is

[tex]M(\Delta r) \approx \rho_0 4\pi/3 (\Delta r)^3[/tex]

If you plug this in, there remains one more power of a small [tex]\Delta r[/tex] which causes the infinity.
 
The relevant equations are dP/dr=-GM(r)*rho(r)/r^2, where dM(r)/dr=4*pi*r^2*rho(r) and M(r) is the total mass contained within radius r. So you can see immediately that dP/dr -> 0 as r -> 0. So there's no singularity at the origin. But to get the central pressure you have to integrate the M(r) first and then do the integral to get the pressure. I don't think you get get it by using only the total mass and properties at the center.
 
I can confirm that an approach working from

[tex]P = \frac{GM(r) [M_0-M(r)]}{4\pi r^4}[/tex]

confuses the issue. The appearance of a singularity is only due to the fact that the M_0-M(r) is concealing a factor of r^3 (M_0 is not just a constant), so the dimensions for the quotient are [tex]G\rho^{2}r^{2}[/tex], which has units of pressure.

The structure equation

[tex]\frac{dP}{dr} = -\frac{GM(r)\rho(r)}{r^2}[/tex]

can only be integrated exactly for a handful of cases, unfortunately, so there are only a few simple models where you can calculate a straightforward result for the central pressure. In realistic situations, the integration is performed numerically.
 

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