Calculate the curvature and vectors T,N,B

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The discussion revolves around calculating the curvature and the tangent, normal, and binormal vectors (T, N, B) for a trajectory defined by the equations z=xy and x^2+y^2=4. Participants are exploring the parametrization of the trajectory.

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  • Exploratory, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss various parametrizations, including the use of polar coordinates and a specific parametrization derived from the equation of a circle. Questions arise regarding the effects of shifting the cylinder along the x-axis on the parametrization.

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Some participants have successfully derived parametrizations and calculated curvature and vectors, while others are still grappling with the parametrization of a catenary and its implications for curvature calculations. There is an ongoing exploration of different approaches and interpretations.

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Participants are considering the implications of moving the cylinder along the x-axis and the challenges of parametrizing the catenary function. There is mention of the moment of inertia related to the catenary, but the main focus remains on parametrization and curvature calculations.

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Homework Statement


Let ##\Gamma ## be trajectory which we got from ##z=xy## and ##x^2+y^2=4##.

Calculate the curvature ##\kappa ## and vectors T, N and B (B is perpendicular to T and N).


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Well, the hardest part here is of curse to find a parametrization of ##\Gamma ##.
Any ideas how can I do that? I tried using polar coordinates ##x=rcos\varphi ##, ##y=rsin\varphi ## and ##z=z##

buuut, this is obviously not good...
 
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From [itex]x^2+ y^2= 4[/itex], an obvious parameterization is x= 2cos(t), y= 2sin(t). Then, from z= xy, z= 4 sin(t)cos(t).
 
well... that is exactly what I did but some really nasty expressions lead to the result. I guess it's ok.

One question, If the cylinder would be moved along x axis, let's say ##(x-2)^2+y^2=4## would than the parameterization be ##x=2cos(t)+2##, ##y=2sin(t)## and ##z=xy## ?
 
Also one more:
Catenary ##z=acosh(x/a)##, ##y=0## and ##x\in \left [ -a,a \right ]##

I tried with ##x=a(1-t)## that would mean that ##t\in \left [ 0,2\right ]## but I just have no idea what to do with z coordinate? :/
 
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Also one more:
Catenary ##z=acosh(x/a)##, ##y=0## and ##x\in \left [ -a,a \right ]##

I tried with ##x=a(1-t)## that would mean that ##t\in \left [ 0,2\right ]## but I just have no idea what to do with z coordinate? :/
Why not just x = at? Can you calculate the curvature for that?
 
Haha, good point... it can easily be just x=at.

Actually, I have to calculate the moment of inertia for this catenary ##z=acosh(x/a), y=0 and ##x \in \left [ -a,a \right ]## but I didn't open another topic because the main problem here is still the parametrization.

But if you're asking about the original (first) post in this topic, than yes. I was able to calculate the curvature and vectors T,N, and B.
 

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