Calculate the kinetic energy required to accelerate a proton

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The discussion revolves around calculating the kinetic energy required to accelerate a proton from rest to a speed of 0.9999c, with a focus on comparing this kinetic energy to the rest energy of the proton. Participants explore the relativistic equations for energy and question the calculations and interpretations of results.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants attempt to calculate the rest energy and kinetic energy using relativistic formulas. Questions arise regarding the interpretation of the ratio of kinetic energy to rest energy, with some expressing uncertainty about their calculations and others suggesting corrections to the interpretations.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations being explored. Some participants provide alternative calculations and insights into the kinetic energy formula, while others seek clarification on specific terms and concepts related to relativistic energy.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the calculations and the definitions of terms such as rest mass and moving mass. Participants are also addressing potential rounding errors in their computations.

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Homework Statement



Calculate the kinetic energy required to accelerate a proton from a rest position to 0.9999c. The mass of the proton is 1.67x10-27

Find the ratio of kinetic energy to the energy of a proton at rest

Homework Equations



Erest = mc2
Ek = mc2/√(1-v2/c2)

The Attempt at a Solution



Ok So calculating the rest energy is easy

E= (1.67x10-27)(3x108)2
E= 1.503x10-10

Ekinetic= mc2/√(1-v2/c2)
=((1.67x10-27)(3x108)2)/√(1-0.9999c2/c2)
=1.503x10-10/√(1-0.9998)
= 1.503x10-10/ 0.0141418
= 1x10 -8 J

This doesn't seem like a lot of energy to accelerate something to almost light speed I feel like I am missing something...even when using Etotal =Erest+EK I get 1x10-8 J

can someone point out my mistake?

Ratio of kinetic energy to rest energy is

1.503x10-10 / 1x10-8
= 1.503 % of the energy is kinetic energy ? ( really unsure about this) Thanks! Happy monday !
 
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HarleyM said:
Ratio of kinetic energy to rest energy is

1.503x10-10 / 1x10-8
= 1.503 % of the energy is kinetic energy ? ( really unsure about this)

I think you got that backwards
 
JaWiB said:
I think you got that backwards

98.5 % of the energy is kinetic energy then?
 
HarleyM said:
ERest= (1.67x10-27)(3x108)2
ERest= 1.503x10-10

EMoving= mc2/√(1-v2/c2)
=((1.67x10-27)(3x108)2)/√(1-0.9999c2/c2)
=1.503x10-10/√(1-0.9998)
= 1.503x10-10/ 0.0141418
= 1x10 -8 J

Your kinetic energy requires will be E when moving - E when at rest !

So it will be 10-8 - 1.503*10-10 = 9.85 * 10-9
 
v=0.9999c. 1-v^2/c^2 =1-0.9999^2. It is better to expand it as (1-0.9999)(1+0.9999) = 1.9999 E-4.

[tex]mc^2=\frac{100 m_0c^2}{\sqrt{1.9999}}[/tex]

KE=mc2-m0c2, about 70 times the rest energy.

ehild
 
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ehild said:
v=0.9999c. 1-v^2/c^2 =1-0.9999^2. It is better to expand it as (1-0.9999)(1+0.9999) = 1.9999 E-4.

[tex]mc^2=\frac{100 m_0c^2}{\sqrt{1.9999}}[/tex]

KE=mc2-m0c2, about 70 times the rest energy.

ehild

I can get an answer of about 66 times the rest energy, can you explain this formula a little more?

What is M0 and by subtracting the kinetic from rest energy it gives you the ratio?
 
Usually the rest mass is denoted by m0 and the mass of the moving particle is m.

The kinetic energy is the difference between the energy of the moving particle and energy of the particle in rest.

[tex]KE=mc^2 - m{_0} c^2=\frac{m{_0} c^2}{\sqrt{1-v^2/c^2}}-m{_0} c^2=m{_0} c^2 (\frac{1}{\sqrt{1-v^2/c^2}}-1)[/tex]

The ratio of the kinetic energy to the energy in rest is

[tex]\frac{KE}{m{_0} c^2} =\frac{1}{\sqrt{1-v^2/c^2}}-1[/tex]

You might have got different result from mine because of the rounding errors.

ehild
 
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