Calculate Torque of Force F Applied at r Around Origin

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The discussion focuses on calculating the torque produced by a force F = (15x - 22y) N applied at the position vector r = (4.0x + 7.0y) meters around the origin. Participants confirm that the torque can be calculated using the formula τ = r × F, where the cross product is defined by the determinant of a matrix. The origin serves as the rotational axis, simplifying the calculation by eliminating the need for translation to another axis. Both the magnitude and angle between the vectors can be determined using trigonometric functions.

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Homework Statement


The force F = (15x - 22y)N is applied at r = (4.0x + 7.0y) meters. What torque (about the origin) does this force produce?

Homework Equations


Torque = r * F * sin theta
r = magnitude of radius, F = magnitude of F, theta = smallest angle between the directions of r and F

The Attempt at a Solution


I was wondering what "about the origin" was referring to. Theoretically, shouldn't I be able to find the magnitudes of F and r with (ax2 + ay2)1/2 and the angles they make with the positive x-axis with (tan theta = ay/ax) and then figure out the smallest angle between them from that and calculate the torque?

Is it just saying the origin is the rotational axis so I don't have to worry about trying to translate the equations to some other rotational axis?
 
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uchicago2012 said:
I was wondering what "about the origin" was referring to. Theoretically, shouldn't I be able to find the magnitudes of F and r with (ax2 + ay2)1/2 and the angles they make with the positive x-axis with (tan theta = ay/ax) and then figure out the smallest angle between them from that and calculate the torque?
Yes, that is a completely valid way to solve the problem. Find magnitudes of F and r, and the angle between them, then plug those into your formula. Then use the right hand rule to determine the direction of the resulting torque.

Or, alternately (which is what I would do because I think it's a little easier), to use the definition of torque, which is

\vec \tau = \vec r \times \vec F

and recognize that the definition of the cross product is,

<br /> \vec a \times \vec b = <br /> \left|<br /> \begin{array}{ccc}<br /> \hat x &amp; \hat y &amp; \hat z \\<br /> a_x &amp; a_y &amp; a_z \\<br /> b_x &amp; b_y &amp; b_z<br /> \end{array} <br /> \right| <br />

where the right side of the equation is the determinate of the matrix.

Either way should give you the correct answer.
Is it just saying the origin is the rotational axis so I don't have to worry about trying to translate the equations to some other rotational axis?
Essentially, yes. That's a good way to think of it. The length vector r has two points. One point at the origin and the other at (4.0, 7.0, 0.0). [And the force is applied at point (4.0, 7.0, 0.0).]
 

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