Finding the Torque on a Fixed Square

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The problem involves a fixed square of length L and mass M, with a rod of length l attached to its top left corner, carrying a mass m on the other end. A motor applies a time-dependent torque to the rod, and the goal is to determine the angles theta1 and theta2, which represent the angle between the rod and the square, and the angle of rotation, respectively.

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  • Participants discuss the implications of the motor's position and the nature of the torque applied. Questions arise regarding the direction of the torque, the meaning of a complex torque magnitude, and whether the angles are to be considered as functions of time. There is also exploration of the fixed nature of the square and the motion of the mass on the rod.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants raising clarifying questions and exploring the setup of the problem. Some guidance has been provided regarding the interpretation of the motor's function and the relationship between the components, but no consensus has been reached on the implications of the fixed square and the motion of the rod.

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Participants are considering the constraints of the problem, including the fixed nature of the square and the attachment of the mass on the rod. There is a discussion about the potential for movement and the assumptions regarding gravity in the context of the problem.

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Homework Statement


Hello,

I'm having trouble with the following problem. I am given a square of length L and mass M that is fixed at its center. A rod of length l is is attached to the top left corner of the square, with a mass m attached on the other end. A motor applies a torque on the rod, this torque has magnitude t0 eiwt. Where t0 is a drive torsion. I need to find theta1, and theta2.
theta1 denotes the angle between the rod and the square, while theta2 denotes the angle of rotation.

I have attached an image for some more clarity.

Thank you

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I know that torque is given by F x r, but I'm not seeing how that helps me find either of the angles[/B]
 

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JClay813 said:

Homework Statement


Hello,

I'm having trouble with the following problem. I am given a square of length L and mass M that is fixed at its center. A rod of length l is is attached to the top left corner of the square, with a mass m attached on the other end. A motor applies a torque on the rod, this torque has magnitude t0 eiwt. Where t0 is a drive torsion. I need to find theta1, and theta2.
theta1 denotes the angle between the rod and the square, while theta2 denotes the angle of rotation.

I have attached an image for some more clarity.

Thank you

Homework Equations



The Attempt at a Solution


I know that torque is given by F x r, but I'm not seeing how that helps me find either of the angles[/B]
I am glad to see that you have drawn a diagram. That always helps in solving problems like this. Looking at the diagram, I have some questions:
1) Where is the motor?
2) In which direction (cw or ccw) does the torque act?
3) Your torque magnitude is a function of time and is a complex variable. In general a magnitude is a real number. What does it mean to have a complex torque magnitude?
4) Are you intending to find the angles as functions of time?
5) The rod is attached to the square at the upper left hand corner. This could not be an equilibrium position because the mass at the end of the rod would tend to rotate the square ccw. So at what time is the square oriented with the rod at the upper left hand corner?
 
tnich said:
I am glad to see that you have drawn a diagram. That always helps in solving problems like this. Looking at the diagram, I have some questions:
1) Where is the motor?
2) In which direction (cw or ccw) does the torque act?
3) Your torque magnitude is a function of time and is a complex variable. In general a magnitude is a real number. What does it mean to have a complex torque magnitude?
4) Are you intending to find the angles as functions of time?
5) The rod is attached to the square at the upper left hand corner. This could not be an equilibrium position because the mass at the end of the rod would tend to rotate the square ccw. So at what time is the square oriented with the rod at the upper left hand corner?

The motor is on the upper left corner of the square, oscillating the rod. This is all of the information I have, so I'm not sure what to do.
 
Perhaps it's just me but..

How can anything move if the motor is top left and the square is "fixed" in the middle?

Can you add the motor and its axis of rotation to the drawing?
 
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The square is fixed in the middle so that it can rotate around the center. The "motor" oscillates the mass on the rod up and down, parallel to the sides of the square.
 
If the square, rod and mass are all attached (fixed together rigidly) they can only rotate about the centre of the square. In that case the mass cannot move linearly "up and down". If the mass is free to slide on the rod it could move linearly up and down. Is that the case?
 
CWatters said:
If the square, rod and mass are all attached (fixed together rigidly) they can only rotate about the centre of the square. In that case the mass cannot move linearly "up and down". If the mass is free to slide on the rod it could move linearly up and down. Is that the case?

No, the mass is fixed on the end of the rod
 
JClay813 said:
The square is fixed in the middle so that it can rotate around the center. The "motor" oscillates the mass on the rod up and down, parallel to the sides of the square.
Am I right in thinking that the motor is what connects the rod to the square? I.e, the motor is mounted on the square and flaps the rod back and forth, like a shoulder muscle flapping an arm.
I assume gravity is to be ignored, e,g. this is in a horizontal plane.

Draw separate FBDs for the arm and the square. Consider what forces act at their junction.
 
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