Calculating 1/4 Earth Arc with Trig

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the distance of 1/4 of the Earth's circumference using trigonometry and approximations. Participants explore methods to estimate this distance without direct measurements, considering both historical definitions of the meter and practical applications.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about estimating the arc length of 1/4 of the Earth using trigonometry without direct measurements.
  • One participant suggests that the circumference of the Earth is a well-established quantity that can be looked up and used for comparison with swimming distances.
  • Another participant provides an approximate figure of 25,000 statute miles for the Earth's circumference.
  • There is a mention that 1/4 of the circumference corresponds to 10,000 meters, based on historical definitions of the meter.
  • Participants discuss the historical context of the meter's definition, including its relation to the Earth's dimensions and the challenges faced in establishing it.
  • One participant corrects another regarding the conversion of 10,000 meters to statute miles, indicating that it is approximately 6 statute miles.
  • There is humor and light-heartedness in the conversation, particularly regarding the terminology used for miles and meters.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the well-established nature of the Earth's circumference and the historical context of the meter's definition. However, there is disagreement regarding the accuracy of specific conversions and definitions, as well as the relevance of using miles versus meters.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the reliance on historical definitions of the meter and the assumptions made about the Earth's shape. The discussion also reflects varying degrees of precision in measurements and conversions.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in mathematical reasoning, historical measurements, and the application of trigonometry in real-world contexts.

marciokoko
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Is there a way to determine the arc around 1/4 of the Earth without measuring it? I mean like thru trig?
 
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marciokoko said:
Is there a way to determine the arc around 1/4 of the Earth without measuring it? I mean like thru trig?
It depends on what you mean by "determine". FYI, trig also involves measurements.
 
SteamKing said:
It depends on what you mean by "determine". FYI, trig also involves measurements.
Ok today I was swimming and I have an app that records my swim sessions, SwimFit. I can tally up the number of meters I have covered since I started swimming and I was wondering how far across the world that would be.

So while in the pool I had no access to data. And I was wondering what I could do to "guess-timate" the distance of 1/4 the circumference of the Earth in order to compare it to the meters I have swum since I started swimming.
 
marciokoko said:
Ok today I was swimming and I have an app that records my swim sessions, SwimFit. I can tally up the number of meters I have covered since I started swimming and I was wondering how far across the world that would be.

So while in the pool I had no access to data. And I was wondering what I could do to "guess-timate" the distance of 1/4 the circumference of the Earth in order to compare it to the meters I have swum since I started swimming.

The circumference of the Earth is a fairly well established quantity, which as far as I know, doesn't change daily. You can look this figure up, take a quarter of it, and compare to the distance your device has recorded.
 
Just memorize one key approximate fact. The circumference of the Earth is about 25000 statue miles.
 
anorlunda said:
Just memorize one key approximate fact. The circumference of the Earth is about 25000 statue miles.

Thanks anorlunda, that's what I meant, something to approximate any of the quantities needed to be able to determine the circumference of the Earth of perhaps the radius.
So
Thanks for the humor SteamKing. I know its a well established fact and that it doesn't change. As I mentioned to anorlunda, I was interested in any data that could help point me in the direction without actually having to know 1/4 or 4/4 the circum. :-)
 
anorlunda said:
Just memorize one key approximate fact. The circumference of the Earth is about 25000 statue miles.
Or "statute" miles. Let's leave statues out of this.

1 statute mile = 5280 feet = 1609.35 meters approx.
 
LOL!

Thanks guys
 
Forget the miles. The meter was once defined so that one quarter of the circumference will be exactly 10,000 m.
The definition have changed several times since then but the meter itself did not change much.
 
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Cool factoid! Thanks
 
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nasu said:
Forget the miles. The meter was once defined so that one quarter of the circumference will be exactly 10,000 m.
The definition have changed several times since then but the meter itself did not change much.
Your definition of the meter (and the circumference of the earth, incidentally) is a tad off. 10,000 m is only about 6 statute miles. :frown:

The original proposal put forth by French Academy of Sciences was that the meter be equal to one ten-millionth (1/10,000,000) of the distance from the equator to the North Pole.

The academicians operated under the assumption that the Earth was a perfect sphere, and the fact that no one had ever visited the North Pole at the time was apparently not considered an impediment to establishing this distance. As subsequent events would prove, this definition of the meter was almost impossible to establish in a practical manner, given the tools and knowledge of the Earth at the time, and it was later determined to establish the meter by surveying a set arc of latitude along a suitable meridian. Even this scaled-down project proved difficult to accomplish, with France embroiled in the Napoleonic wars at the time and the inevitable errors which crept into the surveyor's measurements.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metre

After many years of surveying and wrangling back and forth over the results, it was decided to establish the meter as the distance between two marks on a special metal bar kept in Paris.

Now, the meter is defined in terms of the speed of light in a vacuum and is no longer based on the measurement of any terrestrial feature.
 
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Yes, you are right, sure. 10,000 km. :)

But still, the miles are not relevant. Statute or other kinds.:)
(just kidding).
 

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