Calculating a large toroid's magnetic field

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The discussion centers on calculating the magnetic field of a large toroid using the formula B_0 = (μ_0 * N * I) / (2πr). A key point of confusion arises from interpreting N as the total number of turns rather than the turns per meter, which is specified as 200 turns per meter. Participants clarify that N should be understood in the context of the toroid's geometry, specifically as N divided by the circumference (2πr). This misunderstanding leads to discrepancies in the calculated magnetic field, with the correct interpretation yielding a different result than initially expected. The conversation emphasizes the importance of accurately applying the definitions in the equations used for such calculations.
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Homework Statement
A current of 1.5 A flows through the windings of a large, thin toroid with 200 turns per meter and a radius of 1 meter. If the toroid is filled with iron for which ##X = 3\times 10^3##, what is the magnetic field within it?
Relevant Equations
##B_0 = \frac{\mu_0(N)(I)}{2\pi r}##
##B_{net} = B_0 + B_m = (1+X)\times B_0##
##B_0 = \frac{\mu_0(N)(I)}{2\pi r}##
##\frac{N}{2\pi r} = 200##
##B_{net} = B_0 + B_m = (1+X)\times B_0##
Plugging in the numbers:
##B_0 = 4\pi\times 10^{-7}(200)(1.5) = 3.8\times 10^{-4}##

##B_{net} = (1+X)\times B_0 = (1+ 3\times 10^3)\times 3.8\times 10^{-4}## = 1.13 T

But the answers says it is 0.18 T.

Where did I go wrong?
 
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annamal said:
Relevant Equations:: ##B_0 = \frac{\mu_0(N)(I)}{2\pi r}##

annamal said:
##B_0 = 4\pi\times 10^{-7}(200)(1.5) = 3.8\times 10^{-4}##
Looks like you forgot to divide by ##2 \pi r##
 
TSny said:
Looks like you forgot to divide by ##2 \pi r##
I am given N is 200 turns per meters which should be ##\frac{N}{2\pi r}##, so that should be taken into account with the substitution of 200 in the equation
 
annamal said:
I am given N is 200 turns per meters which should be ##\frac{N}{2\pi r}##, so that should be taken into account with the substitution of 200 in the equation
You are given 200 which is ##N## not ##\frac{N}{2\pi r}##. Take a good look at the derivation for the field inside a toroid and at what the symbols stand for.
 
annamal said:
I am given N is 200 turns per meters which should be ##\frac{N}{2\pi r}##, so that should be taken into account with the substitution of 200 in the equation
Yes, you are correct! I mistakenly took the 200 to be the total number of turns even though it clearly states "200 turns per meter". Looks like whoever wrote the answers made the same mistake as I did. Sorry about that. I agree with your answer.
 
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kuruman said:
You are given 200 which is ##N## not ##\frac{N}{2\pi r}##. Take a good look at the derivation for the field inside a toroid and at what the symbols stand for.
200 is the turns per meter so it should equal n = ##\frac{N}{2\pi r}##

##B_0 = \frac{\mu_0(N)(I)}{2\pi r}## where N is the number of times the toroid is rotated. which means N/Length = 200 where length = ##2\pi r##
 
TSny said:
Yes, you are correct! I mistakenly took the 200 to be the total number of turns even though it clearly states "200 turns per meter". Looks like whoever wrote the answers made the same mistake as I did. Sorry about that. I agree with your answer.
Me too. Sorry about the confusion.
 
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