Calculating a large toroid's magnetic field

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The discussion revolves around calculating the magnetic field of a large toroid, specifically using the formula for the magnetic field inside a toroidal coil. Participants are examining the implications of the number of turns per unit length and how it affects the calculation of the magnetic field.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to identify where the original poster may have made an error in their calculations, particularly regarding the interpretation of the number of turns per meter. Questions are raised about the correct substitution of values into the magnetic field equation.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the correct interpretation of the variable N in the magnetic field formula. Some participants have pointed out potential misunderstandings regarding the definition of N and its relationship to the radius of the toroid. Guidance has been offered regarding the correct application of the formula, but no consensus has been reached on the final answer.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the assumption that N is given as 200 turns per meter, which has led to confusion in its application within the magnetic field equation. The original poster's calculations are being scrutinized for accuracy based on this assumption.

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Homework Statement
A current of 1.5 A flows through the windings of a large, thin toroid with 200 turns per meter and a radius of 1 meter. If the toroid is filled with iron for which ##X = 3\times 10^3##, what is the magnetic field within it?
Relevant Equations
##B_0 = \frac{\mu_0(N)(I)}{2\pi r}##
##B_{net} = B_0 + B_m = (1+X)\times B_0##
##B_0 = \frac{\mu_0(N)(I)}{2\pi r}##
##\frac{N}{2\pi r} = 200##
##B_{net} = B_0 + B_m = (1+X)\times B_0##
Plugging in the numbers:
##B_0 = 4\pi\times 10^{-7}(200)(1.5) = 3.8\times 10^{-4}##

##B_{net} = (1+X)\times B_0 = (1+ 3\times 10^3)\times 3.8\times 10^{-4}## = 1.13 T

But the answers says it is 0.18 T.

Where did I go wrong?
 
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annamal said:
Relevant Equations:: ##B_0 = \frac{\mu_0(N)(I)}{2\pi r}##

annamal said:
##B_0 = 4\pi\times 10^{-7}(200)(1.5) = 3.8\times 10^{-4}##
Looks like you forgot to divide by ##2 \pi r##
 
TSny said:
Looks like you forgot to divide by ##2 \pi r##
I am given N is 200 turns per meters which should be ##\frac{N}{2\pi r}##, so that should be taken into account with the substitution of 200 in the equation
 
annamal said:
I am given N is 200 turns per meters which should be ##\frac{N}{2\pi r}##, so that should be taken into account with the substitution of 200 in the equation
You are given 200 which is ##N## not ##\frac{N}{2\pi r}##. Take a good look at the derivation for the field inside a toroid and at what the symbols stand for.
 
annamal said:
I am given N is 200 turns per meters which should be ##\frac{N}{2\pi r}##, so that should be taken into account with the substitution of 200 in the equation
Yes, you are correct! I mistakenly took the 200 to be the total number of turns even though it clearly states "200 turns per meter". Looks like whoever wrote the answers made the same mistake as I did. Sorry about that. I agree with your answer.
 
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kuruman said:
You are given 200 which is ##N## not ##\frac{N}{2\pi r}##. Take a good look at the derivation for the field inside a toroid and at what the symbols stand for.
200 is the turns per meter so it should equal n = ##\frac{N}{2\pi r}##

##B_0 = \frac{\mu_0(N)(I)}{2\pi r}## where N is the number of times the toroid is rotated. which means N/Length = 200 where length = ##2\pi r##
 
TSny said:
Yes, you are correct! I mistakenly took the 200 to be the total number of turns even though it clearly states "200 turns per meter". Looks like whoever wrote the answers made the same mistake as I did. Sorry about that. I agree with your answer.
Me too. Sorry about the confusion.
 

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