Calculating Arc Length of a Curve: y^2 = x^3, (1,-1) to (1,1)

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The problem involves calculating the arc length of the curve defined by the equation y² = x³, specifically from the point (1, -1) to (1, 1). Participants are exploring the appropriate methods for evaluating this integral and addressing potential issues with the setup.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to evaluate the arc length using an integral but expresses uncertainty about the correctness of their result. Some participants question the validity of the integral setup and suggest that the original poster clarify their steps. Others propose alternative methods for calculating the arc length, including changing the variable of integration.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on the original poster's approach and suggesting different perspectives on how to handle the integral. There is recognition of the need to consider the behavior of the function and the limits of integration more carefully.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the integral may be improper due to the behavior of the function at certain points, and there is a discussion about the symmetry of the curve and the implications for the limits of integration.

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Homework Statement


A curve has the equation y2 = x3. Find the length of the arc joining (1, - 1) to (1, 1).

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I took the integral of the distance and tried to evaluate from -1 to 1.
L = [intergral (-1 to 1) sqrt (1+(dy/dx x^3/23/2)2 dx]
Evaluated I got [integral (-1 to 1) sqrt (1+9x/4) dx]
1/27 [4+9x]3/2 ] exaluated from -1 to 1

I know the answer is supposed to be (26sqrt(13) - 16)/27 and mine is not coming out to that. Is there a mistake somewhere?
 
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The formatting in your first fomula looks broken.
Cassi said:
[integral (-1 to 1) sqrt (1+9x/4) dx]
This is undefined for some x and not symmetric in x, so the error has to be before that. It would help to see more steps of your work.
 
I presume you mean that the equation of the curve is y^2= x^3 (if you don't want to use "Latex", at least write it as y^2= x^3 to indicate the powers). You should know that the arclength is given by the integral \int \sqrt{1+ (dy/dx)^2} dx. Since y^2= x^3, 2y (dy/dx)= 3x^2 so that dy/dx= (3/2)(x^2/y)= (3/2)(x^2/(x^{3/2})= (3/2)x^{1/2}. So 1+ (dy/dx)= 1+ (9/4)x

mfb's complaint that "this I undefined for some x and not symmetric in x" does NOT apply because x is never negative. What is important (and may be what mfb was saying) is that x does NOT go from -1 to 1- it is y that goes from -1 to 1. You can do either of two things:
1- take the x- integral from 0 to 1 and double. (You can do that because the graph goes from x= 0 to 1 and is symmetric for y> 0 and y< 0.)

2- use \int \sqrt{1+ (dx/dy)}dy for the arclength instead. 2y= 3x^2 (dx/dy) so dx/dy= (2/3)(y/x^2)= (2/3)(y/y^{4/3})= (2/3)y^{-1/3}. (Since the integral from -1 to 1 contains y= 0, that is an "improper" integral, but converges.)
 
Ah right, y changes its sign. Well, you still have to pay attention to it in some way.
 
HallsofIvy said:
2- use \int \sqrt{1+ (dx/dy)}dy for the arclength instead.
\int \sqrt{1+ (dx/dy)^2}dy ?
 

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