Calculating Average Velocity for a Multi-Segment Trip

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the average velocity of a car traveling different segments at varying speeds. The original poster attempts to find the average velocity using a simple arithmetic mean of the speeds, but encounters an incorrect result.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the inappropriateness of averaging speeds directly due to differing time intervals for each segment. They suggest calculating total distance and total time instead. Some participants provide examples to illustrate the issue with averaging speeds.

Discussion Status

Participants have provided guidance on the correct approach to calculating average velocity, emphasizing the need to consider total distance and total time. There is a consensus on the method to be used, although some questions remain about the specifics of calculating time for each segment.

Contextual Notes

The original poster's method of averaging speeds is questioned, and there is an emphasis on the importance of time spent at each speed. The discussion includes attempts to clarify how to derive the total time from the given speeds and distances.

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Homework Statement


A car travels along a straight stretch of road. It proceeds for 11 mi at 52 mi/h, then 25.4 mi at 43 mi/h, and finally 48.5 mi at 38 mi/h.

What is the car’s average velocity during the entire trip?

Answer in units of mi/h.

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The Attempt at a Solution



Average Velocity= (V1+V2)/2

Average Velocity= (52+43+38)/3

Average Velocity= 133/3

Average Velocity= 44.3333 mi/h

I tried calculating average velocity by adding up all of the velocities given and dividing them by the amount of velocities given. However this answer was incorrect.

What am I doing wrong?
Is there a different way of calculating average velocity?
 
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If I go 1 mile at 10 miles/hr and then go 1000 miles at 1 mile/hr, the average velocity would obviously be very close to 1, where the majority of your time is spent. Using your method, it would be (11+1)/2 = 5.5, clearly wrong. Taking the average only works when the times taken are the same.

Note that ## v_{avg} = \frac{\Delta x}{\Delta t} ##. So calculate the total distance travelled, then calculate the total time, and divide.
 
Remember this commandment: do not take an average of averages.
A speed over some interval, whether it's a steady speed or not, is a kind of average.
The problem is that if some intervals are longer than others they need to be given greater weight, since they affect the overall time more.

The correct way is to find the total distance and total time.
 
minimario said:
If I go 1 mile at 10 miles/hr and then go 1000 miles at 1 mile/hr, the average velocity would obviously be very close to 1, where the majority of your time is spent. Using your method, it would be (11+1)/2 = 5.5, clearly wrong. Taking the average only works when the times taken are the same.

Note that ## v_{avg} = \frac{\Delta x}{\Delta t} ##. So calculate the total distance travelled, then calculate the total time, and divide.

So...

Total distance= 84.9 mi
Total time= 2.07855 h ?
Average velocity= 40.84574 mi/h?
 
haruspex said:
Remember this commandment: do not take an average of averages.
A speed over some interval, whether it's a steady speed or not, is a kind of average.
The problem is that if some intervals are longer than others they need to be given greater weight, since they affect the overall time more.

The correct way is to find the total distance and total time.

So...

Total distance= 84.9 mi
Total time= 2.07855 h ?
Average velocity= 40.84574 mi/h?
 
Exactly :)
 
Beanie said:
So...

Total distance= 84.9 mi
Total time= 2.07855 h ?
Average velocity= 40.84574 mi/h?
Looks right.
 
haruspex said:
Looks right.

Thank you for the help!
 
minimario said:
Exactly :)

Thanks!
 
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how did you get the total time?
 
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HermioneGranger said:
how did you get the total time?
@HermioneGranger ,

Can you find the time for each segment of the trip ?
 

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