Calculating Centripetal Acceleration in a Vertical Loop

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The discussion revolves around calculating centripetal acceleration in the context of a vertical loop, specifically addressing the forces acting on a mass as it transitions from circular motion to projectile motion after leaving the loop.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the relationship between gravitational force and centripetal force, questioning the validity of equations used. There are discussions about the role of normal force and the conditions at the moment the mass leaves the loop.

Discussion Status

Multiple interpretations of the forces involved are being explored, particularly regarding the direction of forces and the conditions of motion after leaving the loop. Some participants suggest that the original poster's understanding may need reconsideration, while others clarify their reasoning about projectile motion.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of a discrepancy between the calculated radius and the value provided in the textbook, as well as the need to treat the motion as projectile once the mass loses contact with the track. The discussion also highlights the importance of considering components of forces in the context of Newton's second law.

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Homework Statement
A small particle slides from height H=45 cm as shown and
then loops inside the vertical loop of radius R from where a
section of angle = 60° has been removed. If R = (1/N)
meter, such that after losing contact at A and flying through
the air, the particle will reach at the topmost point B. Find
N. Neglect friction everywhere.
Relevant Equations
$$mg(h) = mg(h') + \frac{1}{2}mv^2$$

$$mg = \frac{mv^2}{r}$$
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$$mg(0.45) = mg(R + R \cdot cos(\frac{π}{3})) + \frac{1}{2}mv^2$$

$$v^2 = g(0.9 - 3R)$$

The centripetal acceleration during the "flying through air" will be given by gravity

$$mg \cdot cos(\frac{\pi}{3}) = \frac{mv^2}{r}$$

$$R = \frac{1.8}{5}$$

But my book says $$ R = \frac{1}{5}$$
 
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Your equation

$$mg=\frac{mv^2}{r}$$​

is incorrect. The weight and the centripetal force do not point in the same direction. You have to consider components if this equation is meant to express Newton's 2nd law. Also, there is a normal force acting on the mass just before the particle reaches the gap.
 
kuruman said:
Your equation $$mg=\frac{mv^2}{r}$$is incorrect. The weight and the centripetal force do not point in the same direction. You have to consider components if this equation is meant to be Newton's 2nd law. Also, there is a normal force acting on the mass just before the particle reaches the gap.
I've used $$mg \cdot cos\frac{\pi}{3} $$ in the solution. As for the normal force, it's not present because I've considered the instant at which the block has just left the loop
 
Fitz Watson said:
I've used $$mg \cdot cos\frac{\pi}{3} $$ in the solution. As for the normal force, it's not present because I've considered the instant at which the block has just left the loop
At the instant at which the block has just left the loop the block is in free fall and undergoes projectile motion.

On edit: The answer in the book that you quoted is correct if the units are meters. Treat the problem as projectile motion as soon as the particle loses contact with the track.
 
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Fitz Watson said:
The centripetal acceleration during the "flying through air" will be given by gravity
Not sure what your thinking is behind that statement.
It will fly through the air in a parabola, not a circle.
Of course, centripetal acceleration doesn't only apply to circular motion. In general, it is just the acceleration component at right angles to the velocity. But once it loses contact with the loop that will cease to point to the centre of the loop.
 

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