Calculating Change and Derivatives for a 2 Variable Function

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The problem involves calculating the change in a function of two variables, specifically f(x,y) = (x-y) / (x+y), as well as its differential, when moving from the point (3,2) to (3.2, 2.1).

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  • Participants discuss the definitions of Δf and df, with one expressing uncertainty about how to begin the calculations. Another participant provides the formulas for Δf and df, prompting further attempts at calculation. There is also a discussion about the correctness of the calculations and the potential for errors in differentiation.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring the calculations for Δf and df. Some guidance has been offered regarding the symmetry of the function and potential errors in the differentiation process. There is no explicit consensus on the correctness of the attempts, but productive dialogue is occurring.

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Homework Statement



f(x,y) = (x-y) / (x+y)

Calculate Δf and df for the change of point (3,2) to point (3.2, 2.1)


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I guess that I have to use limits, but don't know how to begin with.
 
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Are you saying you do not know what \Delta f and df mean or are you simply unable to differentiate?

\Delta f= f(3.2, 2.1)- f(3, 2)
df= \frac{\partial f}{\partial x}dx+ \frac{\partial f}{\partial y}dy
 
Yes, I know what they mean, but I didn't know where to start.

So Δf should be:
Δf = (3.2 - 2.1)/(3.2 + 2.1) - (3 - 2)/(3 + 2)
Δf = 1.1/5.3 - 1/5
Δf = 0.007547...

And df should be:
df = ((2y)/(x+y)^2)*dx + ((2x)/(x+y)^2)*dy

Are my attempts correct ?
 
hoeranski said:
Yes, I know what they mean, but I didn't know where to start.

So Δf should be:
Δf = (3.2 - 2.1)/(3.2 + 2.1) - (3 - 2)/(3 + 2)
Δf = 1.1/5.3 - 1/5
Δf = 0.007547...

And df should be:
df = ((2y)/(x+y)^2)*dx + ((2x)/(x+y)^2)*dy

Are my attempts correct ?

I think the first part is right. With hindsight you shouldn't see it anyhow difficult - there is the function, and the change in the function is the change in the function - the difference between its values for that x,y and this x,y.

The second part is not part of the question but good to do. I think your second term has a mistake of sign. To see this don't just do the differentiation again, but notice the symmetry, that f(x, y) = - f(y, x) . Such symmetries are often useful checks for errors and shortening calculations.

Then if you put in place of dx, dy Δx, Δy you ought to see whether you get a fair approximation to the previous result, though it will not be exact (except by accident).
 

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