Calculating Combined Moment for 70lb Forces

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the combined moment of two 70 lb forces about different points (O, C, and D). Participants explore the application of the moment equations and the vector nature of forces in this context.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants emphasize the importance of treating force F as a vector rather than a scalar in calculations.
  • There is a discussion on the correct application of the moment equation M = r x F, with questions about how to define the displacement vector r.
  • One participant suggests that the moment arm should be measured from the reference point of the moment to the head of the force vector, indicating a potential misunderstanding in the OP's calculations.
  • Another participant raises a question about the relationship between the moment arm and the distance line when using M = Fd, suggesting that the distance should always be measured to the head of the vector unless negated.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct application of vector principles in calculating moments, indicating that there is no consensus on the approach to take.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations in the discussion include unclear definitions of the moment arm and the vector nature of forces, as well as unresolved mathematical steps in the calculations presented.

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Homework Statement


For F = 70 lb, compute the combined moment of the two forces about (a) point O, (b) point C, (c) point D. The moments are positive if counterclockwise, negative if clockwise.

Homework Equations


M = F d , M = r x F

The Attempt at a Solution


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The force F is a vector, and your calculations treat it as if it were a scalar.

Do you understand how to apply M = r x F ?
 
SteamKing said:
The force F is a vector, and your calculations treat it as if it were a scalar.

Do you understand how to apply M = r x F ?
would it be like M = r x F where r= displacement vector from A to 0?
 
SteamKing said:
The force F is a vector, and your calculations treat it as if it were a scalar.

Do you understand how to apply M = r x F ?
i tried but i must be making a mistake
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The moment arm is the vector rOB , which is measured from point O to point B. Your calculation shows the opposite.

The moment arm should be measured from the reference point of the moment to the head of the force vector.
 
SteamKing said:
The moment arm is the vector rOB , which is measured from point O to point B. Your calculation shows the opposite.

The moment arm should be measured from the reference point of the moment to the head of the force vector.
So when using M = rF, the vector r is always measured from the point of moment to the to the head of the vector. so the would look like to vectors with the heads pointing toward each other? And what about M = Fd? the distance line should always travel to the head of the vector? unless you negate the vector then the tail is ok?
 

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