Calculating Convolution Integrals with Unit Step Functions

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The discussion revolves around computing the convolution integral y(t) = e^{-3t}u(t) * u(t+3). The main confusion arises from handling the unit step functions during integration. It is clarified that the correct limits for the integral should account for the behavior of the unit step functions, specifically that y(t) = 0 when t < -3. The final expression for y(t) is confirmed as y(t) = (1/3)[1 - e^{-3(t+3)}]u(t+3), effectively incorporating the step function to ensure y(t) is zero for t < -3. The conversation emphasizes the importance of correctly applying the properties of the unit step function in convolution calculations.
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Homework Statement


Compute the following

y(t)=e^{-3t}u(t)\ast u(t+3)


Homework Equations


u(t) is the unit step function.


The Attempt at a Solution



I get confused with these for some reason...

y(t)= \int^{+\infty}_{-\infty}e^{-3 \tau}u(\tau)u(t-\tau+3)d\tau

This is where I have my first problem, trying to eliminate the step functions. I tried

y(t)= \int^{t+3}_{0}e^{-3 \tau}d\tau

Does that look right?

Finally integrating that with my limits gave:

[1/3 - e^{-3(t+3)}]u(t+3)

Now the step function I added at the end, and I'm not quite sure why... My main problem is dealing with the step functions, any suggestions/ confirmations I did it wrong or right?
 
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dashkin111 said:
y(t)= \int^{t+3}_{0}e^{-3 \tau}d\tau

Does that look right?

Finally integrating that with my limits gave:

[1/3 - e^{-3(t+3)}]u(t+3)

Now the step function I added at the end, and I'm not quite sure why... My main problem is dealing with the step functions, any suggestions/ confirmations I did it wrong or right?

the fact that the symbol you use for the (heaviside) unit step function is u(t) not "h(t)", which is what is used by a lot of folks in the mathematics discipline (and you didn't use the term "heaviside function") makes me think that this is an EE course. likely the first Linear System Theory course (or whatever your school calls it). no?

now, i think i see one error. let's break it up a little. let's say it's:

y(t) = h(t) \ * \ x(t)

or, maybe a better notation is:

y(t) = (h \ * \ x)(t)where

h(t) = e^{-3 t}u(t)
and
x(t) = u(t+3)

Convolution of h(t) against x(t) is

y(t) = (h \ * \ x)(t) = \int_{-\infty}^{+\infty} h(\tau) x(t-tau) \ d\tau = \int_{-\infty}^{+\infty} x(\tau) h(t-tau) \ d\tau

you can pick either integral. but be careful. it looks to me that you intended to pick

y(t) = (h \ * \ x)(t) = \int_{-\infty}^{+\infty} h(\tau) x(t-tau) \ d\tau

or

y(t) = (h \ * \ x)(t) = \int_{-\infty}^{+\infty} e^{-3 \tau}u(\tau) u((t-\tau)+3) \ d\tau

now remember that it is \tau that is your independent variable inside the integral, not t. so you might want to express it as

y(t) = (h \ * \ x)(t) = \int_{-\infty}^{+\infty} e^{-3 \tau}u(\tau) u( \ -(\tau-(t+3))\ ) \ d\tau

you are correct that the bottom limit is always zero because of u(\tau). but what is the top limit? u(a) is zero whenever the argument, a<0 . likewise u(-a) is zero whenever the argument, a>0. so u(\ -(\tau-(t+3))\) is zero whenever \tau-(t+3)&gt;0 or \tau&gt;t+3. hmmm. so it looks like you did the integral right, at least for the case when the upper limit t+3 is greater than the lower limit of 0.

in the case that the upper limit t+3 is less than the lower limit of 0, then you have to recognize that for all \tau, at least one of those unit step functions are zero, so you are integrating something that is zero for all \tau, so your integral is zero. this happens whenever t+3 < 0 or t<-3. but your integral

y(t)= \int^{t+3}_{0}e^{-3 \tau}d\tau

still evaluates to something that is not necessarily zero when t<-3, so you have to fix the result so it is

y(t) = \frac{1}{3} \left(1 - e^{-3(t+3)} \right)

when t>-3 and

y(t) = 0

when t<-3 . how're you going to do that?
 
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rbj said:
the fact that the symbol you use for the (heaviside) unit step function is u(t) not "h(t)", which is what is used by a lot of folks in the mathematics discipline (and you didn't use the term "heaviside function") makes me think that this is an EE course. likely the first Linear System Theory course (or whatever your school calls it). no?

now, i think i see one error. let's break it up a little. let's say it's:

y(t) = h(t) \ * \ x(t)

or, maybe a better notation is:

y(t) = (h \ * \ x)(t)


where

h(t) = e^{-3 t}u(t)
and
x(t) = u(t+3)

Convolution of h(t) against x(t) is

y(t) = (h \ * \ x)(t) = \int_{-\infty}^{+\infty} h(\tau) x(t-tau) \ d\tau = \int_{-\infty}^{+\infty} x(\tau) h(t-tau) \ d\tau

you can pick either integral. but be careful. it looks to me that you intended to pick

y(t) = (h \ * \ x)(t) = \int_{-\infty}^{+\infty} h(\tau) x(t-tau) \ d\tau

or

y(t) = (h \ * \ x)(t) = \int_{-\infty}^{+\infty} e^{-3 \tau}u(\tau) u((t-\tau)+3) \ d\tau

now remember that it is \tau that is your independent variable inside the integral, not t. so you might want to express it as

y(t) = (h \ * \ x)(t) = \int_{-\infty}^{+\infty} e^{-3 \tau}u(\tau) u( \ -(\tau-(t+3))\ ) \ d\tau

you are correct that the bottom limit is always zero because of u(\tau). but what is the top limit? u(a) is zero whenever the argument, a<0 . likewise u(-a) is zero whenever the argument, a>0. so u(\ -(\tau-(t+3))\) is zero whenever \tau-(t+3)&gt;0 or \tau&gt;t+3. hmmm. so it looks like you did the integral right, at least for the case when the upper limit t+3 is greater than the lower limit of 0.

in the case that the upper limit t+3 is less than the lower limit of 0, then you have to recognize that for all \tau, at least one of those unit step functions are zero, so you are integrating something that is zero for all \tau, so your integral is zero. this happens whenever t+3 < 0 or t<-3. but your integral

y(t)= \int^{t+3}_{0}e^{-3 \tau}d\tau

still evaluates to something that is not necessarily zero when t<-3, so you have to fix the result so it is

y(t) = \frac{1}{3} \left(1 - e^{-3(t+3)} \right)

when t>-3 and

y(t) = 0

when t<-3 . how're you going to do that?

Wouldn't the y(t) = 0 when t <-3 be taken care of by just multiplying that whole thing by a step function u(t+3)


y(t) = 1/3[1-e^{-3(t+3)}]u(t+3)
?
 
dashkin111 said:
Wouldn't the y(t) = 0 when t <-3 be taken care of by just multiplying that whole thing by a step function u(t+3)


y(t) = 1/3[1-e^{-3(t+3)}]u(t+3)
?

yes.

thus ends the lesson. :smile:
 
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