Calculating Cp for Ideal Gases using Thermodynamic Relationships

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The discussion revolves around calculating the specific heat capacity at constant pressure (Cp) for ideal gases using thermodynamic relationships, particularly focusing on Meyer's formula and its applicability. Participants explore the validity of the equation Cp - Cv = R and its implications for ideal versus real gases.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of Cp using Meyer's formula and question the absence of expected options. Some suggest alternative methods involving the adiabatic coefficient and the speed of sound. There is also a focus on the conditions under which the relationship Cp = Cv + R holds true.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the relationships between thermodynamic quantities and questioning the assumptions behind the equations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the derivation of Cp from other thermodynamic properties, but no consensus has been reached on the initial doubts raised.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the validity of the equation Cp = Cv + R is specific to ideal gases, and there are discussions about the conditions at normal temperature and pressure (NTP) that may affect the calculations.

Rongeet Banerjee
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Homework Statement
Is Meyers equation :
Cp - Cv =R always valid?
Relevant Equations
Cp=Cv +R
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In this particular Question according to Meyer's formula,the value of Cp should be (8.314+5) i.e. 13.314 .But that option is missing.
There is another approach to this problem by finding the Adiabatic Coefficient and then finding Cp.I have no problem with that approach.
But my initial doubt still remains.
 
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Rongeet Banerjee said:
Homework Statement:: Is Meyers equation :
Cp - Cv =R always valid?
Relevant Equations:: Cp=Cv +R

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In this particular Question according to Meyer's formula,the value of Cp should be (8.314+5) i.e. 13.314 .But that option is missing.
There is another approach to this problem by finding the Adiabatic Coefficient and then finding Cp.I have no problem with that approach.
But my initial doubt still remains.
Cp = Cv + R is true only for an ideal gas. However, the volume occupied by one mole of gas at a certain temperature and pressure (NTP in this case) is the same for ideal and real gases. I think you are expected to determine ##\gamma## from the speed of sound and determine Cp from that.

AM
 
Thanks
 
Just to provide some justification: For any gas, you have ##C_V = \left(\frac{\partial U}{\partial T} \right)_V## and ##C_p = \left(\frac{\partial H}{\partial T} \right)_p##. Now $$H = U + pV \implies \left(\frac{\partial H}{\partial T} \right)_p = \left(\frac{\partial U}{\partial T} \right)_p + p \left(\frac{\partial V}{\partial T} \right)_p$$For an ideal gas, you have ##C_V = \left(\frac{\partial U}{\partial T} \right)_V = \left(\frac{\partial U}{\partial T} \right)_p##. Furthermore for an ideal gas, ##V = \frac{nRT}{p} \implies p \left(\frac{\partial V}{\partial T} \right)_p = nR##. Hence we finally obtain $$C_p = C_V + nR$$
 

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