Calculating Curvature of Non-Unit-Speed Curve Using a Trig Identity

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The discussion revolves around calculating the curvature of a non-unit-speed curve defined by the parametric equations α(t) = (cos^3t, sin^3t) and exploring the implications of curvature in the context of a parallel curve defined by β(t) = σ(t) + 2N(t). Participants are examining the mathematical properties and definitions related to curvature and torsion.

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  • Participants discuss the computation of curvature using the formula κ(t) = ||T'(t)|| / ||σ'(t)|| and express confusion regarding the norm of the derivative α'(t). There are inquiries about the use of trigonometric identities and the implications of the norm in the context of torsion and curvature.

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Some participants have provided partial computations and expressed their thought processes, while others have posed clarifying questions. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationships between the derivatives of the curve and the conditions for regularity of the parallel curve β(t). The discussion reflects a collaborative effort to understand the problem without reaching a definitive conclusion.

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1. Compute the curvature.

α(t) = (cos^3t, sin^3t)

This is not a unit-speed curve. I want to use κ(t) = \frac{||T'(t)||}{||σ'(t)||}

When I find α'(t) and then its norm, I run into an impasse. Am I supposed to use a trig identity?
 
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What was that impasse? Do you know how to get the norm of a vector?

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Shackleford said:
1. Compute the curvature.

α(t) = (cos^3t, sin^3t)

This is not a unit-speed curve. I want to use κ(t) = \frac{||T'(t)||}{||σ'(t)||}

When I find α'(t) and then its norm, I run into an impasse. Am I supposed to use a trig identity?
Please post your working, or we cannot tell where you are stuck.
 
Sorry. It was late last night. Maybe I'll get a different answer today. Heh.

α(t) = (cos^3t, sin^3t)

α'(t) = (-3cos^2(t) sin(t), 3sin^2(t)cost(t)

||α'(t)|| = \sqrt{(-3cos^2(t) sin(t))^2 + (3sin^2(t)cos(t))^2}

||α'(t)|| = \sqrt{9cos^4(t) sin^2(t) + 9sin^4(t)cos^2(t)}
 
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Shackleford said:
Sorry. It was late last night. Maybe I'll get a different answer today. Heh.

α(t) = (cos^3t, sin^3t)

α'(t) = (-3cos^2(t) sin(t), 3sin^2(t)cost(t)

||α'(t)|| = \sqrt{(-3cos^2(t) sin(t))^2 + (3sin^2(t)cos(t))^2}

||α'(t)|| = \sqrt{9cos^4(t) sin^2(t) + 9sin^4(t)cos^2(t)}
What common factor can you take outside the square root?
 
haruspex said:
What common factor can you take outside the square root?

:rolleyes:

I have no excuse. Thanks. I see it. Let me try to work the rest of the problem out.

κ(t) = \frac{1}{3cos(t)sin(t)}
 
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3. Show that the curve is planar (i.e. contained in a plane). Hint: Show that its torsion is identically zero. Of course, I need to set the torsion τ = 0.

α(t) = (\frac{1+t^2}{t}, t+1, \frac{1-t}{t})

α'(t) = (1-t^{-2},1, -t^{-2})

||α'(t)|| = \sqrt{2(t^{-4}-t^{-2}+1})
 
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3. Show that the curve is planar (i.e. contained in a plane). Hint: Show that its torsion is identically zero. Of course, I need to set the torsion τ = 0.

α(t) = (\frac{1+t^2}{t}, t+1, \frac{1-t}{t})

α'(t) = (1-t^{-2},1, -t^{-2})

||α'(t)|| = \sqrt{2(t^{-4}-t^{-2}+1})

What's your equation for torsion? And how is ||α'(t)|| useful?
 
haruspex said:
What's your equation for torsion? And how is ||α'(t)|| useful?

I see one entirely in terms of alpha up to its third derivative, a cross product, norm, etc.

The other one involves B'(t), N(t), and alpha.

I found alpha-prime because it's used to find T, T', which is then used for N, and then B, and so forth.
 
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Shackleford said:
I see one entirely in terms of alpha up to its third derivative, a cross product, norm, etc.
That's the one. But remember you are only interested in whether it is zero, which simplifies matters a little.
I found alpha-prime because it's used to find T, T', which is then used for N, and then B, and so forth.
Yes, you need α', but I asked why its norm was interesting here.
 
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haruspex said:
That's the one. But remember you are only interested in whether it is zero, which simplifies matters a little.
Yes, you need α', but I asked why its norm was interesting here.

Oh, indeed. I suppose that I can simply show that the numerator α^{'''}(t)\cdot (α^{'}(t) \times α^{''}(t)) is zero.
 
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Shackleford said:
Oh, indeed. I suppose that I can simply show that the numerator α^{'''}(t)\cdot (α^{'}(t) \times α^{''}(t)) is zero.

Yes.
 
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haruspex said:
Yes.

Thanks. I have one more problem, and the HW is due today at 5 PM.

Let σ be a unit-speed plane curve. Define a new curve (called <i>parallel curve </i>of σ) β by<br /> <br /> β(t) = σ(t) + 2<b>N</b>(t),<br /> <br /> where <b>N</b>(t) is the principal normal at α(t). Show that, if 2κ(t) &lt; 1 for all t, where κ(t) is the curvature of σ at σ(t), then β(t) is a regular curve and that its curvature is κ(t)/(1-2κ(t)).<br /> <br /> I know that σ being a unit-speed plane curve implies that ||σ&#039;(t)|| = 1 and that τ(t) = 0. Also, if β(t) is a regular curve, then ||β(t)|| = 1.
 
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Sorry, only just saw this.
Shackleford said:
if β(t) is a regular curve, then ||β(t)|| = 1.
No, it is only required that it is differentiable and the derivative never changes sign.
Try to get an expression for the derivative in terms of that of the original curve.
 
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haruspex said:
Sorry, only just saw this.
No, it is only required that it is differentiable and the derivative never changes sign.
Try to get an expression for the derivative in terms of that of the original curve.

β(t) = α(t) + 2N(t)
β&#039;(t) = α&#039;(t) + 2N&#039;(t)
β&#039;(t) = α&#039;(t) + 2(-κT + τB)
β&#039;(t) = α&#039;(t) + 2(-κT)
β&#039;(t) = α&#039;(t) - 2κα&#039;(t)
β&#039;(t) = α&#039;(t)(1 - 2κ)

||α&#039;(t)|| = 1 \implies α&#039;(t) ≠ 0
If κ(t) &lt; \frac{1}{2},\ β&#039;(t) &gt; 0, \implies β&#039;(t) \ is \ regular.
 
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Shackleford said:
β(t) = α(t) + 2N(t)
β&#039;(t) = α&#039;(t) + 2N&#039;(t)
β&#039;(t) = α&#039;(t) + 2(-κT + τB)
β&#039;(t) = α&#039;(t) + 2(-κT)
β&#039;(t) = α&#039;(t) - 2κα&#039;(t)
β&#039;(t) = α&#039;(t)(1 - 2κ)

||α&#039;(t)|| = 1 \implies α&#039;(t) ≠ 0
If κ(t) &lt; \frac{1}{2},\ β&#039;(t) &gt; 0, \implies β&#039;(t) \ is \ regular.

Looks right.
 

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